M&S Colchester claim mixed changing is ‘completely safe’ for women.

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How is it that M&S can continue to flaunt the high court ruling and do not offer single sex changing rooms?

Abouterf in this video confronts the store manager and is fobbed off and told that it’s head offices policy:

Colchester @marksandspencer I asked where the women’s changing room was to try on swimwear. Manager Andrew (he/ his /him) says gender neutral changing areas are “completely safe” for women and girls. For asking him this question, he told me to leave the store.

Abouterf x account

That wasn't my point. And I've always been firmly anti-id cards. I wasn't getting into a debate about whether we should have ID cards. My point was about the slurs we receive and it was about any ID that we do get (whether I want it or not) is actually accurate rather than gas lighting nonsense that ignores women's consent and women's privacy and dignity.

But you probably know this already.

It’s unclear how you want that read. Punctuation would help.

I wasn’t but never mind. I feel sorry for you that you feel the need to be rude about a complete stranger.

As for my punctuation I’m dyslexic. Come on have a go at me for that too!

Can you please point to my horrible views. Thank you

But we don't know that he's been bullied, do we?I'm sure M&S would have mentioned it because it'd fit their agenda so nicely.

Why should women have to pay to be treated with respect?

Almost everyone goes to Marks and Spencers - their profits say otherwise

People on MN are bat-shit - your opinion. You're entitled to it. Luckily, most of us here are too polite to tell us our opinion of you.

I could pick apart everything else you've said just as easily but you won't hear anything you don't want to. You're just here to tell us all how wrong we are and how mean and nasty we are compared to paragons of perfection like you.

I’m not saying that women should.

Charities often take up causes when they think the law needs to be challenged or is being abused/ broken.

I thought that was one of the main functions of sex matters maybe I’m wrong here. If it is then why haven’t they done so yet?

Yes, we do. We can see the comments and responses under every place it was posted/shared.

He was doxxed by Anya Palmer, who for many reasons, should know much better than to do something which only results in harassment and bullying. If Jolyon had done the same to a female store manager we'd be furious and rightly so.

Thanks for this. I'm genuinely interested to know if there are cases when a transgender supporter has been harrassed and bullied. Not point scoring. Just want to look at them and see how they compared to the ones I know of from the other side.

No one should be filmed when at work and have their image posted all over the internet without their permission. Even if they are a MANAGER OF A STORE.

I have never in my life expected a standard changing room in a high street store to be a single sex space.

I do expect the bra fitting changing rooms to be single sex.

I keep seeing this Colchester M&S situation come up on social media and I think it embarrasses us. I haven’t seen MF’s letter but I’ve seen the response from M&S and I can’t help but feel it makes the gender critical movement (with which I am fully aligned) look like it’s full of bored agitators.

Reply to the Baroness

https://x.com/i/status/2067178930247799110

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He totally dodges the question... how does he define "woman"?
If he uses the new modern inclusive version then this letter is complete BS

Well, it may not be actually illegal currently but stores, clubs etc could be leaving themselves open to civil legal challenges as well as to adverse publicity and local opposition, all of which are highly detrimental to the institutions in question.
And some of the examples given — self-defence classes can certainly be male only as well as female only, school sports teams likewise (plus mixed sex) swim sessions at pools can also be children only, seniors only, beginners only — need I go on?
So separate sessions are available in lots of areas for many differing groups, can I suggest that if you are lacking a male only group for something where you think it may be necessary, that you organise it yourself?

"...our preferred practice which is to have single sex facilities..."

The baroness response
https://x.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/2067240889747939610?s=20

God I love that woman. She is polite, respectful, articulate, humorous, knowledgeable and like a dog with a bone. Girl crush over here.

Her response is so beautifully written

"Archie, you are a fuckwit who isn't running your company. Get your head out your arse and on the shop floor and see how your company is actually being run and why I'm having to write to you about this bullshit in the first place. You haven't actually answered my question properly and you are feeding me lipservice. Do I look stupid or something? Now, single sex is single sex. Its not changing rooms in the vicinity of. It could do with a sign like 'Men's', 'Women's' and 'Mixed' which is what the public actually want. You know, in line with both the law and safeguarding customers. Instead of pretending you give a shit about customers, actually give a shit about customers. Thank you old chap. Yours The Baroness"

The Sex Matters campaign against trans woman has born its inevitable fruit in the latest EHRC guidelines. The easiest way for providers to comply is to offer mixed sex fitting rooms. You reap what you sow.

It's entirely reasonable to offer suggested changing areas for men and women, and open them up to others if they are single occupancy cubicles. Are they effectively mixed sex and trans inclusive? Yes, they are. The only thing that will happen if Sex Matters does more lawfare is that all fitting rooms will end up mixed sex.

And haranguing low level staff who have no control over company policy is a dickish, entitled move.

It's not a campaign against transwomen. It's a campaign for womens privacy, dignity and safety - rights we have in law which aren't being upheld.

HTH.