Sunderland Minster refusing to comply with Supreme Court ruling

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This is from their Facebook page today. No consideration for the women who do not want men in their spaces.

This! The solution is so dammed obvious. JERKS!!

Breaking the law if you think it is wrong law is seen as good and noble by some.

She may identify with Jesus/some of the apostles/Nelson Mandela/insert heroic figure.

I admit I haven't run across the Christianity version where Jesus is a misogynist who thinks that women only have value by enabling a small subsection of men with significant issues.

She may identify with Jesus/some of the apostles/Nelson Mandela/insert heroic figure.

She'd be bound to defer to male figures.

Or where such men had a special exemption from the whole equal responsibility thing of managing to treat others as they would like to be treated, and loving their neighbours.

It's a statement about equality & if you knew anything about Christianity you would know that.

And if you knew anything about what a place of worship of God is you would know its a house of trust not suspicion.

trans people are sacred

Yes, the 'holy fool' trope has been being pushed for years.

How holy is Dolotowski? White? The one that kidnapped that little girl? The ones who took selfies with machetes and swords in women's spaces, enjoying posturing and fantasy sexual murder? The one who gets off on visualising raping a woman and causing terrible injury with a 'splintery baseball bat' -

it's beyond ridiculous to the point of instability.

Well, yes, because any female heroic figures – like Joan of Arc, although I think she only broke canon law - are trans din ye kno?

The thing about 'equality' is that includes women who have needs that inconvenience men's fantasies and freedoms.

That's basically what all this fuss is about. Women having equality of rights and the right to not be used.

And if you knew anything about what a place of worship of God is you would know its a house of trust not suspicion.

And that has worked so well in the past, hasn't it?
https://www.churchofengland.org/safeguarding/reviews-and-reports/independent-inquiry-child-sexual-abuse

And yet Jesus warned about the people in the church itself:

• *Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

I've just had a look at their safeguarding info. You're supposed to have details of parish safeguarding officer on the web site, and it looks as if they don't have one. It's good practice to have links to Local Authority safeguarding contacts too. I'd say it looks as if safeguarding isn't a priority for this church.

Ahhh the athiest's 'respite'.

The point being the house of God won't protect you from the sins of man but will teach you how to overcome them.

I know of several clergy who have been subject to discipline under the Clergy Discipline Measure because the safeguarding information on their website has not been up to date.

If they are letting children use opposite sex toilets then they have a massive safeguarding fail.

Uh huh, worshipping at the foot of fear, suspicion & paranoia doesn't work out so well.

I have no idea what your posts are on about, soz. Can you please try to be a bit less cryptic. Ta

Jesus defo would have wanted us to have our own toilets

To be trans is to be blessed with a sacred calling, to engage in an act of co-creation such that the accident of one's body rhymes with the essence of one's soul.

An act of co-creation???!!! With God?

I know these people think they’re very special, but that took my breath away. Someone calling himself a Christian putting himself in a position of equality with God the Creator. Words fail me.

Again the total dismissal of women who need single sex spaces.

Do you really not know why, or have you just turned these people subhuman in your mind so you can deride and dismiss them, in your goal of enabling men? Do you really think that makes you a good person?

Well Trump likes making memes of himself as Jesus.

Young girls sharing enclosed spaces with potentially any male who claims to be a woman.

Well done, Revd Canon Clare MacLaren, who has presumably never heard of Katie Dolatowski et al and possibly wouldn't care if she had. Championing her own trans son - who therefore is female?

I wonder if CM would want her child put on a male psychiatric ward if, sadly, that were ever necessary?

It's a statement about equality & if you knew anything about Christianity you would know that.

Don't be ridiculous, Paul didn't believe in the equality of men and women. He was as more or less misogynistic as every man was at that time, depending on the social mores of whichever society they lived within.

And Christianity might have given women a glimpse of equality, as Christ tried to impart to us, but the Church, in its various guises, hasn't offered women anything like equality until very recent times.

Elevating a small subsection of men who think they are women above actual women is not equality. Our God-given equality has not actually panned out as well as Christ might have wished for, because of patriarchy. Our actual equality comes from secular law. Thanks be to God, you might say, we were given our own brains and the wherewithal to fight patriarchy, misogyny, and injustice, despite the Church.

And this particular church in Sunderland is perpetuating misogyny and inequality, for its own, unknown purposes, not in order to be Christian.

And, by the way, breaking the law at the same time.

I'm not going to debate Christian doctrine with you on this thread anymore, because we'll be boring a lot of other posters stupid. If you want to start another thread about Christian doctrine, please do, and I might join you over there.

No idea what you mean.
I don't think Jesus was worshipping fear, suspicion and paranoia.

I'm nowhere near Sunderland, but if I was I would be going to have a look at the Minister, and I would be asking for a woman to accompany me to the loo - ideally a clergywoman.

And of course writing to the Bishop afterwards about this church breaking the law.