Why is it that the trans issue is the only one where people are cancelled if they disagree with it?

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I was thinking today how there are people who vote differently to me, who are carnivores or vegan, who believe in capital punishment, who believe in unregulated drugs, who do or don't believe in climate change, who follow different religions, who think nobody has ever landed on the moon and so on, but it's possible to have a discussion about it - even if that ends pretty briefly in "We'll have to agree to disagree on that" - and it doesn't end in someone being cancelled.

The trans debate is the only one - as far as I can see - that's not allowed to be debated. I've not heard of people disowning their families over any of the above topics. If someone disagrees with someone else on those topics - and a million others - nobody says they're being violent and they're afraid of them and need to get away from them and be safe.

What Rachel Dolezal told everyone she was black and people discovered she wasn't - and worse when she wanted to represent black women and their struggle - then black women everywhere were allowed to say she was wrong and that their struggle and lived experience wasn't hers. There was no argument at all - maybe Rachel muttered a bit about it but everyone felt free to ridicule her for taking that on.

How come, then, when a fifty-year old Philip Bunce - "Call me Pippa or Pips" - was ranked number 32 in Top 100 Women in Business, women weren't allowed to say that was unfair and that our struggle and lived experience wasn't his?

What is it about this particular issue that makes people want to silence us, when other topics can be freely discussed?

My fault. Must be the heat getting to me.

Oh, I know! I had to go out for a shingles jab just after two, and when I got home it was such a relief to get into the comparative cool of the house. My brain feels fried.

Unfortunately when I click on that it takes me to cloudflare (spit) and cloudflare gives me a 404 not found.

Ah, that's a shame. An article on the paper:

https://unherd.com/newsroom/bbc-ran-four-times-more-stories-on-trans-victims-than-perpetrators/

It's a bit odd, because that is the exact same address as on the tab whre I have it open, but yes, cloudflare is flagging it and seems to vanish the link somehow.

That post about the two women was posted after mine. Not sure why you think it is sane to criticise me for a post which was yet to happen in my future. I phrased my sentence the way I did to make it clear that I was not stating catergorically that no GC women had been killed but that I was not aware of any.

Have no idea why my polite and deliberate wording motivated you to such an aggressive and snarky response. But you do you.

The point I made stands that Jews are being murdered again for being Jewish in the West, in UK, America and Australia along with a tsunami of other violence and intimidation.

So no, the OPs contention that only GC women are cancelled is not true. Terrible what has happened to GC women is, it is not at the level of violence and terror as that facing Jews.

Women are being threatened with violence, death and rape and are literally losing their livelihoods. With people turning a blind eye and far too many in the media actively supporting the threats as "righteousness".

This is not a competition. What is happening to women is not in any way minor or "less than". Neither is what is happening to Jewish people. I'm unclear why we can't care about and feel equally strongly about both.

LOL!! As if they ever leave their pits in the first place.

IMO its because the TRA side has no argument to put forward. There pointa are all feelings, or you are being nasty/bogptted, and its the only way to ignore the facts of the matter

Your comparisons are irrelvant, someone being vegan doesn't harm anyone ...being transphobic does.

Indeed.

Unfortunately, emotive lies and syrupy appeals to "kindness" (which isn't kind) along with demonisation and smearing of any opponents have done better than the facts or any logical here. At least, among most so-called "lefties" I know. Couple that with not ever getting to present the arguments in most of the media, we still face a continuous uphill struggle, I think.

I cannot see this fight ending any time soon. Every time we think we have a 'victory', it seems the gender borg and all its acolytes and enablers in positions of power double down. It's a warning for our times as to how irrational, dangerous and mob-like people can be, and how easily our democracy and all the rights we rely on can be taken apart by anyone who wants to do so. Half the time enabled by exactly those whose rights are being taken away, if only they could see it. A lot of people are being deliberately used and manipulated here.

Men and women are socialised from birth to prioritise men.

What men want matters more than what women want. Men's feelings matter more than women's safety.

Any criticism of men is met with the NAMALT flag flying high because god forbid men might feel criticised, we have to make it very clear its not all of them and be super specific in our language and toss some praise in there for the good ones before gently suggesting there may be a tiny issue with a few men possibly if you don't mind, sorry for bringing it up, don't mean to be a bother.

Men demand things - good. Assertive. Leader.

Women demand things - bad. Nagging. Karen.

Women are expected to give way to men, quietly and nicely.

That's why there is such outrage.
Women saying no to men?
women? No? To men? But, but, but... but men want. Is not fair. Why women not obey? Men deserve.

Being "pro-trans" (aka pro a misogynistic, homophobic ideology that relies entirely on regressive sex stereotypes and actively promotes medicalisation and surgery on any person who does not fit them, as well as advocating hating on, lying about and demonising all women who say no, especially feminists) harms the entire fucking female population and is in the process of actively removing our legal and human rights, rights we fought fucking hard for over decades, so I'm really not sure of your logic here.

"Trans" is regressively sexist, non-factual, abusive bollocks. It is causing active harms to numerous people. Women. Those who id as trans (mostly the actual females, although also males) who are lied to constantly and told, erroneously that they are "born in the wrong body" and can change sex and everyone has to affirm that. None of that is true. It is a vile, regressive and actively harmful ideology.

I absolutely agree

I was made aware of this as a teen and in my 20's but it really didn't hit me how much the world prioritises boys and men until I had my ds

There’s a highly organised white (originally) male-run activism movement behind this one. Historically social causes have been run by women, people of colour or very poor people. Rich white men don’t f-about. They aren’t running this like they would if they were actual women.

What does "cancelled" mean exactly? Can anyone give a definition?

The most vocal gender critical activists- JKR, Graham Linehan, Kelly Jay Keen, Maya, Stock etc have been in the media non-stop in recent years. How are they "cancelled"?

Cancel verb

7. 1650–60
† To enclose with latticework or rails. Obsolete
[The literal sense of Latin cancellāre.]
1650
Cancelling, and railing it with posts.
T. Fuller, Pisgah-sight of Palestine iv. iii. 50
c1660
In a little obscure place, canc<e>lldin with yron Worke.
J. Evelyn, Diary anno 1644 (1955) vol. II. 246

HTH

Why are you placing any importance on whether this a gay or straight relationship? What signifigant impact would it have on your life to refer to this person as a male?

Ah, this good old TRA disingenuous chestnut. It's not 2020 any more,did you not know?

They are publicly hated on, lied about constantly and smeared and told they are experiencing "consequences" of having completely, as it happens, factual, compassionate, fair and legal views, but which don't prioritise men at all times, and which don't just subjugate themselves to a ridiculous, fact-free sexist ideology which has been imposed entirely undemocratically.

And anyone who dares voice support for such people is treated similarly. They are ostracised, demonised, have their entire lives destroyed, get mass-bullied, have hate campaigns against them. Others are unable to speak openly at all, for fear of what will happen to them. If you don't understand the harms that does, you're both extremely thick and extremely disingenuous, sorry. My guess, though, would be mainly the latter.

Outside of those public individuals (who have all suffered immensely, btw) there are multiple far less prominent people, mainly women, who have had their entire livelihoods, lives, friendship groups, social groups, reputations destroyed by transactivist fuckers. Many have fought back, but they should not have gone through it in the first place, and there will be a great many more who you've never heard of. If you don't understand what "cancellation" actually is and does, may I suggest you educate yourself about what happened to some of the people below and for what supposed "crimes".

Rachel Rooney
Jenny Lindsay
Gillian Philip
Jo Phoenix
Alison Bailey
Ursula Doyle
Jess de Wahl
Sall Grover
Rosie Kay
Birdy Rose (and her partner)

There's also Kate Clanchy, who was "cancelled" for different reasons, but many of the self-righteous yet ignorant perps were the same.

You might want also to take a look at the Storyville documentary on iplayer called Speechless which interviews Kathleen Stock in ep 2 and think how you might feel if that happened to you.

If you're okay with people being treated like this, may I suggest that you are perhaps not the "kind" nor "progressive" person that you clearly imagine you are. And perhaps go and live in fucking North Korea, see how you like it.

Roisin Murphy was cancelled simply for saying that she believed that children shouldn't be given puberty blockers. The Guardian's music critic wrote an article which said her new album "came with a stain on it".

Those women with a public prifile who have dared pop their heads above the parapet on this issue have been treated appallingly. See also Macey Grace, Riley Gaines. Yet men like Ricky Gervaise are able to say stuff and nothing happens.

Imo it is simply a stock to beat women with. And many people, other women included, are happy to use that stick.

There are also the constant lies about what "gender critical" feminists actually believe.

As well as wilful ignorance or misrepresentation of documented, highly evidenced facts. It's unbelievably tiresome. And has been extremely eye opening as to how very gullible, devoid of critical thinking, as well as dangerously complacent about equality and human rights, including their own, some people can be.

Something which has been extremely well exploited by "activists" on this issue and others who intended to create division as well as dismantle all the rights women gained through feminism.

I understand there are always arse wholes. Most trans people just want to live quietly. But yes

Do they really?

Because from what I've seen over the last decade, there' s not much evidence of that at all. Perhaps people who want to "live quietly" need to stop expecting women to validate their identities and give up our safety, words, experiences and spaces to them and stop supporting the very many "trans rights advocates" and "trans people" who frequently express similar violently threatening woman-hating rhetoric as incels and male domestic abusers. After all, it's in the service, apparently, of standing up for "trans human rights". I've not seen very much condemnation, quite the opposite in fact.

A wrongness; but one I am a little bit glad of because I feared it might be me going mad rather than an actual error. Hot weather makes me erratic, quite often, and it's been hot here today and yesterday.

Maya was sacked from a high level job, which she did very well, for calling a man a man.
Glinner has lost the opportunity to earn a living, and has had to move to another country to work, not too mention he got arrested by 5 armed coppers at the airport.
KS was hounded out of her job by a baying mob, literally bay, frothing at the mouth, unhinged mob.
Why you have a problem understanding what cancelled means is a question for the ages.
How come stupid people know how to use the internet?