Any recommended genderist writers?

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"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." - John Stuart Mill

This is something I've tried to keep in mind over the last half dozen or so years since I heard TWAW, thought "What?" and fairly quickly found FWR. So I've made sure to read as much as I can take from those who truly believe that men can be women, or if they don't actually believe it (because how can you, deep down?), desperately want it to be true. I say as much as I can take because after a while you've seen and heard it all before, and it never starts being convincing.

The latest pile of nonsense I dove into is this: The End of Trans Rights in the UK Is the Start of Democratic Collapse. Dear god, that almost made my brain melt. The links alone show you that he never strays outside an idiotic bubble (Helen Webberley being the first I clicked into).

Is there anyone you can recommend who makes their case without lying and relying on liars?

I’m not saying every trans woman behaves this way, just as I wouldn’t say every man, Muslim, or any other group behaves the same way because of a minority.

That isn’t my argument.

What I’m pushing back on is the idea that women who become gender critical must have arrived there because of “biased priors.” Some of us arrived there after direct experiences that changed how we understood certain dynamics.

Also, there’s a difference between prejudice against an immutable characteristic and recognising recurring patterns of behaviour that many women associate with male socialisation or entitlement. If a woman repeatedly experiences boundary crossing, sexualised, intrusive, or intimidating behaviour from people asking to be treated as women, it’s not irrational for that to affect how safe she feels in female spaces.

You compare it to judging Muslims by terrorists, but that analogy doesn’t really fit because women aren’t discussing random unrelated crimes, they’re discussing behaviours directly relevant to access to women’s spaces, boundaries, safeguarding, and social expectations around sex and gender.

And importantly, I didn’t start from hostility. I started from sympathy and openness. My views changed because reality conflicted with what I had previously assumed. Dismissing that as merely “biased priors” feels less like curiosity and more like telling women that their own experiences are invalid if they lead to the “wrong” conclusion.

Yep.

When I was referring to biased priors that was in reference to the OP's comment of not being able to find any explanations that justified gender identification which is different from the point you seem to be making that I assume is about the necessity for women's private spaces. I don't consider it a biased prior to support gender critical views due to the safety & equality of women because clearly there's much evidence for concern as you have pointed out.

Apologies for the confusion. I thought you were suggesting trans gender identification had no basis because of male violence.

Context is piffle. Sex is binary.

Apology accepted, thanks Emily

The excerpt did show that JS has an unusual attitude to relationships.

Most people want to be with someone who they find attractive, and who finds them attractive. People just don't want to hear that their partner had to work through an initial feeling of disgust to be with them. There's a difference between someone saying "I didn't know I was bisexuality before I met you" and "I've never been attracted to men, but you shamed me into giving you a chance".

JS doesn't see others having a journey in their sexuality and preferences and it not having anything to do with him. JS wants to be in lesbian dating pool, therefore should be. He sees it as a organisation, not individuals.

This all just sounds like conversion practices.

Lesbians' 'disposition' is that they are homosexual women - i.e. female, same sex attracted people.

Lesbians do not need to challenge their preferences sexual orientation and to suggest otherwise, even to express 'disappointment' that they won't, is homophobic AF.

Please stop.

It's the 'cotton ceiling' which, I agree, is just homophobia towards lesbians repackaged.

Oh for goodness sake.

’Here’s my surprise first date location! My favourite tequila bar. Let’s party!’
’Ah. I don’t drink alcohol. I did tell you that when we started talking.’
’Oh, that’s disappointing, this is a really great place and special to me. Is that a moral stance, do you not like the taste or are you allergic?’
’Well, since you ask, I prefer not to go into the whole reasoning, I’ve known really forever that I am not interested in drinking alcohol.’
’Oh. God that’s very closed minded of you. Why? All the blokes I know love partying here. I know plenty of guys who only drank beer before but once they got a few shots with me, they saw the world differently, and the sex afterwards was mind blowing. I do think people who don’t drink alcohol are prejudiced. Have you ever even tried it?’
’No, it’s not something I want to do. Can we go somewhere else?’
’I tell you what, I’ll get you just a small one and you can try it. I’ll bet you’ll love it.’
’No it’s really not for me…’
’How about a lemonade instead then? Here…’
’Ok, if you want - erm, this smells of alcohol?’
’How do you even know that? If you’ve never had it before? Don’t you think it smells good?’
’Its just not my thing…’
’God you’re a real loser. That cost a lot you know. Fancy giving me a kiss to pay me back for it? Ok ok, no need to overreact. Not sure why you came out with me at all. I’m going in, see you around I guess.’
FIN

people who should know better via their experience of being excluded should be more open to having their beliefs challenged.

Lesbians are just women who fancy other women. They are not obliged to vote a particular way, donate half their income to charity or volunteer twice a week at the local cat orphanage. Their sexuality isn't a public target for challenge. Their sexuality isn't a belief ffs.

Lesbians: people who should know better.