I transitioned into a man - then changed my mind. Now the trans 'cult' that groomed me into changing sex has hounded me out of TWO cities

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https://www.dailymail.com/lifestyle/article-15817599/Philippa-Roberts-detransition-man-woman.html

I’ve heard someone my age (46) say “when I was a teenager, if this stuff had been around, and someone told me boys could become girls and vice versa, I would totally have believed it”, and might have had surgery.

It is appalling that children are being “persuaded” about this before they are old enough to decide objectively.

And just for clarity - I would be a 'fellow traveller' here : trans people should be respected as people and their human rights must be respected. Reasonable people can differ on the affordances society is able to make at any given time to accommodate trans people, of course bearing in mind the conflicting rights of others. This is not at all the same as licensing transphobia.

Sorry can't concur on there being any harassment of detransitioners from me. (I don't speak for anyone else)

This whole thread is about harassment of detransitioners. Do you have anything to say about this (apart from "it wasn't me")? All your posts seem to be suggesting that it didn't happen.

If the actions of your "community" are pushing reasonable people towards the far right, perhaps it's time to think about why that might be.

All this ridiculous 'bad company argument' and victim blaming.

"She's far right therefore she deserves everything she gets"

Er...no, not really.

She's still been treated really badly, whatever her political views. And if she's supporting a legal political party/ figure then so what? You might not approve. But her expectation to not be treated like shit shouldn't be contingent on her political views.

The whole 'yeah but she's far right' is just a distraction - 'look, squirrel'.

Are we really saying the only people who deserve to not be treated badly are people we agree with?

Because that sounds childish and cult like, and conveniently removes the focus from the people in the trans community who have treated her appallingly.

Its ironic really.

Do you also think it's morally right to persecute someone for leaving a cult?

Do you actually have anything to say about that?

The thinking seems to be 'she's a wrong un and she deserved it'

Which is nice. 🙄

So you agree with most people here about trans people.

Now will you condemn the treatment of former trans people (detransitioners) by TRAs?

Yes, it seems to be a case of "It didn't happen, and if it did it wasn't that bad, and if it was it's because she's a right wing bigot so she deserved it".

Conveniently forgetting that attending the march came after 4 years of being shunned, harassed and threatened by the cult.

Its interesting how the 'GC movement' (where my membership card??) are supposed to purge their ranks of wrong thinkers, lest any far righties be there.

But, the trans community never condemns awful treatment meted out by their brethren, either to detransistioners, or GC people.

On one hand, we are baddies because we don't condemn other people's, who share some of our views, thoughts.

On the other hand, real concrete actions by members of the trans community are shrugged off because, dear reader, she was asking for it.

Men's rights activism writ large.

This.

I don't think the WAH WAH WAH she's a racist WAH WAH types realise how much they're pushing normal people to vote on the right, and the extent to which they're making Reform look like a more attractive option.

Because honestly, EVERYTHING is fucking racist including not wanting young children to be raped on an industrial scale according to these dimwits. To the point that the word 'racist' has lost its meaning.

I just feel tired as soon as I see such a kneejerk reaction. So what if she's now politically right wing - that doesn't make her detransitioner story any less awful. It sounds as if TRAs tried hard to completely destroy her life. I don't understand how not allowing her to work in a studio due to her beliefs and detransition is not discrimination, either. It must be.

Well said.

Stalking, harassing, preventing her from working, ACTUAL discrimination is waved away. But turning up to a rally with one dubious character, we're supposed to care more about that.

Fucks sake.

Who put you in charge of bossing women about?

Giving yourself a righteous username doesn't make you some kind of moral arbiter ffs. The tedious patronising cheek of it.

He’s right though. They should stay away from that rabble.

If someone is unhappy about what others are doing an effective approach is to do the thing you want done yourself.

Heckling and admonishment doesn't get anyone very far.

Indeed!

The self righteous doubling down on cancelling/ hounding anyone with a different opinion as the 'morally right thing to do' is quite astounding.

Because who decides who is in and who is out? If we're going to deviate from the law of the land and superimpose a stricter set of criteria for acceptable speech/ beliefs - who gets to decide? Why them?

Doesn't sound very democratic, does it?

I will fight for the right of anyone to express legal beliefs, support legitimate political parties and attend legal rallies, even if iI heartily disagree with the views being expressed.

Her political views do not affect whether she is factually correct that changing sex is not possible.

To claim otherwise is like saying someone of a political view that I disagree with is automatically wrong to claim that humans are mammals.

It’s a bit crazy that this can happen and that a “no” was so readily accepted when she said she didn’t want to freeze her eggs. At such a young age. This poor woman. It’s a really sad story and messed up in so many ways .

You are getting very close to the logic of the people who think all Muslim people should periodically declare they don't support Islamic terrorism.

There isn't a GC "movement". There is an increasing number of women and now also men waking up and saying "hang on, this whole TWAW TMAM thing makes no sense even by its own lights, and it's really not fair on women at all".

Some of those people align with other politics I personaly have no truck with, but I can't stop them and nor can anyone else. There is no Supreme GC Commander you know, nor Official Board of GC Spokespeople. We don't have a flag. Even the Official Snackbar of Gender Criticism is really just a snackbar preference with no weight behind it (other than what we put on by eating it...)

What I do know is that sexist and regressive ideas about men and women are not baked into Gender Criticism - quite the opposite. But they are baked into Genderism, because without the belief that the fundmanetall difference between men and women is in how we think not the simple fact we have different bodies and because of that different social experiences and challenges, Gederism itself cannot exist.

You say, that, Rhinos. But have you ever tried blaspheming against the Tunnocks orthodoxy?

I do not like Tunnocks tea cakes. There, I've said it. I feel better already

I will say what I think here - the GC movement should cut off and disassociate those who want to ally with far-right groups and individuals

Christ, do you not know we have been having that discussion since forever? Keep up, mate.

Splitter!

I've made a note.

Neither do I! They're vile!