I transitioned into a man - then changed my mind. Now the trans 'cult' that groomed me into changing sex has hounded me out of TWO cities

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https://www.dailymail.com/lifestyle/article-15817599/Philippa-Roberts-detransition-man-woman.html

she was ousted from the trans community for sharing extremist right wing views, not for detransitioning.

The shunning, threats and harassment she describes started in 2022 and started up again in 2025, based on what she had posted in 2022 being deemed to be "transphobic". Nothing to do with whatever political views she held at the time - these are not mentioned.

It was only after she was hounded again in 2025 that "Philippa threw herself into the networks she had been building since meeting Keen-Minshull.".

The article says that she "now aligns herself with Keen-Minshull’s politics.", ie, in 2026.

"In autumn 2022, Philippa attended an LWS event at Hyde Park. Electrified, she later joined them in the pub. Keen-Minshull told her, ‘You need to get well’.

The experience galvanised her. The next month she posted on Instagram, noting the Cambridge Dictionary had expanded its definition of ‘woman’ to include ‘an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been considered to have a different sex at birth’. Philippa said if biological men could be women, there was no point being transgender. Why try to change your sex or gender identity if you already are that identity by definition? ‘I knew there’d be a backlash,’ says Philippa. There was. Her followers initially assumed her account had been hacked. Then, she says, accusations of transphobia began to fly. People were told not to read what she was posting. In the words of one post, it was ‘dangerous’. She lost thousands of followers.

As the abuse magnified, her tattooist work evaporated. Then things became more sinister. She says trans activists went after her girlfriend (who Philippa won’t name), texting and calling her, harassing her constantly. ‘They couldn’t get to me,’ says Philippa. ‘So they went for everyone around me. They wanted maximal damage, mental and financial. They were prepared to do anything to get to me, and it worked, which is what I hate the most.’ The two have since split up.

Philippa worried that if her address was discovered, she could be at risk of violence – she had received enough threatening social-media messages to feel unsafe. So, in 2023, she wiped her public Instagram account and moved to Norwich. She dropped the name Caspar for the more gender-neutral Robin and re-adopted female pronouns. She also shaved her beard – which meant coming to terms with her masculine jawline, another effect of testosterone.

After two years keeping a low profile, working minimum-wage jobs, Philippa rented space in a tattoo studio in the city centre. She felt the storm had blown over and wanted to earn proper money again, doing what she loved. She finished her first day happy, feeling she had turned a corner. But as she walked home, a fellow tattooist texted her. She had been sent screenshots of what Philippa had posted in 2022. The posts were being circulated around the Norwich LGBTQ+ scene. The dogpiling restarted. The studio owners told Philippa she was not welcome back.

Angry, Philippa threw herself into the networks she had been building since meeting Keen-Minshull. She left behind the progressive thinking that told her she could change sex and now aligns herself with Keen-Minshull’s politics."

Since you know so much about it, back up your claims by providing evidence that "she was ousted from the trans community for sharing extremist right wing views, not for detransitioning." because the time-line suggests otherwise.

She did this after four years of abuse from the adherents of the cult she'd left.

Four years of being hounded, four years of threats of violence which destroyed her relationship and her livelihood and forced her to move across the country.

And now some of those cultists are on here full of hatred and spreading more lies about her. Poor woman.

Not sure what "cult" you are referring to but Islam and transactivism have in common an appalling attitude towards and treatment of apostates.

There are extreme examples, such as that of Salman Rushdie who has had a Fatwa to kill him since publishing The Satanic Verses in 1989. in 1991 Hitoshi Igarashi, the Japanese translator of The Satanic Verses was assassinated as part of the Fatwa. Rushdie has needed constant close security and survived being stabbed in 2022.

Less extreme, Lubna Zaidi has had to leave her home town of Luton and go into hiding due to credible death and rape threats to her and her children from other Muslims. This was because she dared to call out the "bad apples" in the Muslim "community" in the UK.

The Sceptic | Episode 47: The British-Pakistani Woman Getting Death Threats for Calling Out Rape Gangs, Migrant “Sanctuary Cities” and Debating a Green Loon
dailysceptic.org/2025/08/22/the-sceptic-episode-47-the-british-pakistani-woman-getting-death-threats-for-calling-out-rape-gangs-migrant-sanctuary-cities-and-debating-a-green-loon/

Similarly, Philippa received death threats and had to leave London and then Norwich after questioning the holy creed of trans.

By contrast, on the very rare occasions when someone with gender critical / sex realist views has a brain fart and goes all TWAW, the reaction might be disappointment but it is not some sort of TERF Fatwa.

No death threats, no rape threats, no telling people to kill themselves, no denouncing people to their employers, no trashing businesses with fake reviews, no harassing their families, partners and friends, etc. etc.

It is not gender critical / sex realists who display cult-like behaviour.

A Terf fatwa. As we very well know, involves a sniff, and in the most serious cases, a Hard Stare. In 2023 there were reports of teeth sucking, but I've not seen credible evidence.

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But in all seriousness, this is why the 'both sides' narrative is such a disingenuous lie.

This, by @MohavePenstemon is such an important observation:

This might shock some people, but calling someone a RW grifter who looks like a man while they're still struggling with themselves and refusing to listen to them only gives them the very few support systems.

It hasn't so much shocked me as made me realise I never thought of it this way.

Please 24% of the world's population are Muslim so there are simply going to be very bad people in the group by sheer force of numbers.

If you'd like to analyse the situation seriously, rather than trade anecdotes and counter anecdotes then maybe consider a perspective like the following:

The deeper structural argument

Oil created a peculiar dynamic: the most theologically conservative Muslim states happened to be the most financially powerful. In most of history, religious reform spreads from centers of cultural dynamism. After 1973, the center of Islamic financial gravity shifted to the Gulf, so Gulf conservatism — rather than, say, Egyptian or Turkish Islamic thought — got exported disproportionately.
This helps explain why global Islamic practice became measurably more conservative between 1970 and 2000: more veiling, stricter gender segregation, more literalist interpretation — not because these were organically spreading ideas, but because they had institutional money behind them.
The connection is less a conspiracy than a structural consequence: sudden wealth + theological self-confidence + geopolitical ambition = a globally funded religious revival shaped in Saudi Arabia's image.

Now now, don't let facts and reality get in the way of an omnicauser's rants against women for wrong think. 😁

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Which probably has more to say about the mental health of many trans / de trans people than anything else.

When you feel disconnected from your immediate family/ cohort because you have mental health issues, or are autistic, or anxious, or angry, or have an eating disorder, or are confused about your sexuality it is all too easy to throw your lot in with loud people who shout out quick fix slogans without looking further into their motivation. Letting other people do your thinking for you is a common way of getting drawn into cults, online grooming, trans ideology, right wing pressure groups, quasi religious organisations and the rest.

If you then wake up and smell the coffee you have to extricate yourself not only from the ideology but from the social bonds you have made within the group, often at the cost of isolating you from other social groups like family or former friends. It takes a mentally strong person to do that, and I can understand why the temptation to fall in with another extreme group on the journey back to mental health must be very strong.

True - and the specific question I asked was this "Connection between middle east oil and the islamic revival starting in the 1970s" (it's the conclusion of the answer)

So not likely a "trick" to oppose the points raised, but relevant significant context.

You can't just post a wodge of AI generated text and expect the rest of us to figure out what point you are trying to make.
Have another go.

Okay..

The point is that the conservative form of Islam is not the only one, but it's been spread deliberately and artificially by the wealthy oil rich Gulf states since around the 1970s. That's key to understand why the fundamentalist wing within Islam has more visibility compared to the similar fringes of other religions. We can't conflate "Islam" with just its fundamentalist currents and certainly not with Islamism - a political ideology.

There are genuine challenges that exist in the UK - they're not going to be helped by divisive rhetoric and deepening mistrust between communities.

And if her previous "community" had supported her instead of threatening her and trying to ruin her life, none of this would have happened.

So by shunning apostates and expelling them from the community, TRAs are driving detransitioners towards people that they find unacceptable, and then blaming their victims for finding another community which accepts them.

What do you expect detransitioners to do when they're treated in this way?

What does this have to do with detransitioners?

I was fired as a patient for not wanting to medicalize. In a delicate and uncomfortable mental health situation that I knew HRT wouldn't help, and starting to question things. When I expressed this, I was told, explicitly, that I would kill myself and the clinic made me sign papers stating that I wouldn't, despite never expressing suicidality.

At last. We found it. A genuine example of conversion therapy.

I certainly don't have an issue with detransitioners and they're entitled to hold their views about what happened. But the conversation has to connect with other views shared (not obviously related to trans/detrans - but for some reason linked in).

Personally, but for the 'Tommy Robinson' connection - I wouldn't felt any reason to engage with this post. It was the young woman herself who choose to promote his rally, and the Mail that felt there was enough editorial justification to mention it.

The conversation doesn't have to link to things brought in as distraction from the main thread. It can, if it helps throw light on the main topic, but it doesn't have to.

@AntiRacistFella There are genuine challenges that exist in the UK - they're not going to be helped by divisive rhetoric and deepening mistrust between communities.

This is what drives me mad about so many political commentators. Lots of chin-stroking and 'well, I wouldn't do it this way' type comments and buzzwords like Divisive and Mistrust. Where are the bloody solutions?

But factions of Islam are incompatible with women’s rights. We have schoolgirls abducted by Boko Haram and forced into marriage and raped. We have women in Afghanistan who now have no rights. Iranian women now have to cover their hair in public or be beaten. How are these compatible with women’s rights? How is talking about this Islamophobia?

Just more chiding and tutting.

The rally is only mentioned once right at the end of a long article which talks about her transition and detransition and the abuse she received for detransitioning.

What brought her to that point? Read the article and think about all the treatment she received from people she thought were her friends and allies and why she ended up where she did.

You've made several posts on this thread, but you haven't engaged at all with the main subject of the thread, which is the abuse inflicted on detransitioners by trans cultists.

You've tried to derail from the subject by posting AI drivel about Islam and suggesting that we shouldn't have any sympathy for this woman because she's attended the Tommy Robinson rally.

You don't have to be a Tommy Robinson supporter to recognise that many aspects of Islam as practised in many countries are profoundly anti-woman.

You are side-stepping the point I made. This was very clearly about the contrast between incontrovertible evidence of the cult-like behaviour of two authoritarian, minority groups in the UK vs the absence of such behaviour from the majority of the population, ie. gender critical / sex realists.

My post was in response to, and quoted, this post about detransitioner Philippa:

"On X, she recently retweeted Keen-Minshull’s statement, ‘Islam is incompatible with women’s rights’, and caused a stir while being photographed for this piece, when she announced she would be attending Tommy Robinson’s Unite The Kingdom rally in London.
So she joined another cult then"

Your pivot to a deep dive into the cause of the rise of fundamentalist Islam since the 1970s is a deliberate distraction from the point being made.

Your patronising dismissal of both the death-dealing Fatwas against Salman Rushdie and Lubna Zaidi and the appalling harassment of detransitioners as mere "anecdotes" demonstrates that you would do anything rather than confront actual evidence.

There has been no "trading of anecdotes" because there is no anecdotal evidence of similar cult-like behaviour by gender critical / sex realists.

Where I think the PP who I quoted is wrong is in conflating "charismatic leader" with "cult leader". The two are not synonymous.

It is also obvious that there does not need to be a "cult leader" for "cult-like behaviour" to be in evidence.

This article is a good explainer:

Cults Without Leaders: How Belief Systems Replace Thinking Under Identity Pressure, and Why Parts of the Modern Left Exhibit Cult Dynamics
Identity Pressure, Moral Absolutism, and the Erosion of Independent Judgment

One of the most effective defenses modern belief systems deploy is a misconception about what cults actually are.

When people hear the word cult, they picture a charismatic leader: a Jim Jones, a David Koresh, a guru standing on a stage issuing commands to followers who surrender their autonomy. So when accusations of cultish behavior arise in modern political or cultural movements, the response is immediate:

“Where’s the leader?”“Who’s the cult figure?”“That can’t be a cult — no one is in charge.”

This objection sounds reasonable. It is also outdated.

Modern cults rarely look like the caricatures people expect. In fact, the absence of a single charismatic leader is not evidence against cultish behavior — it is often evidence of its evolution.

To understand why, we need to stop defining cults by personalities and start defining them by function.

What a Cult Is — Functionally

At its core, a cult is not defined by robes, compounds, or leaders. It is defined by how belief operates inside a group.

Functionally, a cult exists when:

• Identity replaces evidence
• Belief becomes a moral obligation
• Doubt is treated as betrayal
• Repetition substitutes for verification
• Group belonging outweighs factual coherence

In other words, cults are not primarily about who is followed. They are about how beliefs are maintained and enforced.

Once belief becomes an identity signal rather than a truth-seeking process, cult dynamics are already present — regardless of leadership structure.

The Charismatic Leader Fallacy

The fixation on charismatic leaders is a relic of earlier eras. Traditional cults required a central authority because information flowed slowly and communication was limited. Control depended on physical proximity and hierarchical enforcement.

Modern belief systems operate differently.

Today, authority is distributed, not centralized. Media ecosystems, social platforms, and peer reinforcement replace the need for a single leader. Narratives propagate horizontally through repetition rather than vertically through command.

No one has to say, “Believe this.”Everyone simply repeats it.

The group itself becomes the authority.

This is why the question “Where is the leader?” misses the point. In modern cults, leadership is replaced by consensus pressure. The belief persists not because someone orders it to, but because rejecting it threatens social belonging.

Full article:
lucianseraphis.substack.com/p/cults-without-leaders-how-belief-6ca

Sorry can't concur on there being any harassment of detransitioners from me. (I don't speak for anyone else)

You might want to bear in mind people were appalled by, and campaigned against 'Tommy Robinson' during his EDL years long before issues like trans had anything like their present political salience.

There are reasons for that - people are directly affected by racism against themselves, their families and their communities in the UK already, without it being further stimulated. That's why criticism has to extend to those who would encourage or ally with his campaigning.

I will say what I think here - the GC movement should cut off and disassociate those who want to ally with far-right groups and individuals

That would probably actually benefit the GC cause politically against the people you call 'TRAs' and others who you no doubt think of as fellow travellers.

But I'm saying this because in the bigger picture it's the morally right thing to do