Help end medical misogyny. Sign our petition.

Help end medical misogyny.
Sign our petition.

Sign the petition

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Burnham - does he know what a woman is?

269 replies

Dragonasaurus · 14/05/2026 20:49

Just that really - we’ve had Starmer prevaricating, fence sitting, “most women don’t have a penis” in fact women don’t have a penis’ but somehow I’m going to let Phillipson sit on the guidance which would ensure women’s single sex spaces (some of them anyway)…..

Would Burnham be any better? Does anyone know what his position is?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
18
Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 12:45

Shortshriftandlethal · Today 12:15

He's already said he'd keep Shabana Mahmood in the Home Office......they'll hate that.

I bought a copy of The New Statesman the other day...haven't seen a copy for decades. Unbelievably naive. Still dreaming of the revolution.

Edited

That’s the one thing I’ve seen suggested that I agree with. Miliband as Chancellor is a horrifying prospect.

SionnachRuadh · Today 13:06

Joshi of The Mill was on the Spectator podcast the other week describing what he sees as Burnham's strengths and weaknesses, from what he's observed in Manchester. I'm paraphrasing but it went a bit like this

Joshi: He's got lots of virtues, he's a great communicator, connects really well with people, has emotional intelligence, has the ability to act quickly on instinct. He lacks a clear ideology but lots of people would see him as embodying the party's values. But he's too anxious to be liked, he's not a details man, he's surrounded himself with yes men who confirm his positive outlook on life rather than tough people who will challenge him to make hard choices

Tim Shipman: To me you've just described Boris Johnson

ArabellaScott · Today 13:14

SionnachRuadh · Today 10:24

It's all vibes based. He's good at vibes, but it's still vibes.

'So it’s the 80s. It’s all leg warmers and Wham! Are you with me? I was born in the winter of 82, in Salford. As a teenager I lived next door to the McVities factory – which just so happens to be right next to a little known constituency called Gorton and Denton. I still remember waking up to the smell of chocolate in the mornings, wafting down the street. Look – it wasn’t perfect, but we had everything we needed.'

Zack Polanksi.

https://greenparty.org.uk/2026/03/18/zack-polanski-lays-out-plans-to-back-the-caring-majority-in-major-speech/

ArabellaScott · Today 13:15

And yes I will keep wheeling out that quote at every opportunity.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 13:26

It’s great, isn’t it.

Shortshriftandlethal · Today 13:42

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 12:44

Excellent point. Burnham might do better media than Starmer in general but how will he cope with the extreme focus on anything he does that people disapprove of? I’m not convinced he’s going to find it all that easy to weather the storms.

Yes, he's going to be grilled relentlessly on everything that Starmer has already been grilled on. Though, of course, that will include his attitude towards protected eingle sex categories, 'child transition' and puberty blockers. He'll respond in the same way that Starmer did, which was to waffle and prevaricate so as not to upset anyone. He won't be able to say "no" to his backbenchers.
We'll be turning the clock back two years. He simply won't be able to deal with the level of scrutiny he'll be under.

Wes Streeting could do him some further damage by demanding a debate on policy proposals and details.

overunderover · Today 14:02

Shortshriftandlethal · Today 12:14

I seriously don't understand what it is that his Left wing backers ( Socialist Campaign Group) are expecting or seeing in him? All of my local MPs were out campaigning for him in Makerfield...as if he was the answer to their prayers.

Maybe it as simple as them thinking he wil prioritise the neglected and ignored northern communities?

The socialist campaign group are not Burnham's main power base (he's soft left, not socialist) but to them he's the lesser of two evils (or three, if you include Streeting). Remember that Starmer - after being elected to the leadership on a promise of continuity Corbynism - abruptly declared all-out war on that wing of the party, ruthlessly purged many of them, arranged selection procedures to minimise their number in the 2024 intake and of course expelled their most high profile figurehead.

It's pretty hard to imagine a candidate that they WOULDN'T prefer over the one who has made it his personal mission to completely demolish their wing of the party's supposedly "broad church".

Burnham notably didn't join in with the PLP's project to undermine Corbyn after 2015, the chicken coup etc. That probably counts for something.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · Today 14:15

Shortshriftandlethal · Today 13:42

Yes, he's going to be grilled relentlessly on everything that Starmer has already been grilled on. Though, of course, that will include his attitude towards protected eingle sex categories, 'child transition' and puberty blockers. He'll respond in the same way that Starmer did, which was to waffle and prevaricate so as not to upset anyone. He won't be able to say "no" to his backbenchers.
We'll be turning the clock back two years. He simply won't be able to deal with the level of scrutiny he'll be under.

Wes Streeting could do him some further damage by demanding a debate on policy proposals and details.

Edited

.

SmudgeBrown · Today 14:25

According to the Times, a longtime supporter of trans rights, Burnham criticised last year’s Supreme Court ruling that defined “sex” in the Equality Act as biological sex.

He has argued it makes daily life and access to public facilities more “confusing” for transgender people. He has advocated for a new consensus rather than strict legal exclusion.

SmudgeBrown · Today 14:30

Shortshriftandlethal · Today 09:30

I think a Labour government will proceed with it whoever is the leader. for the reason it has medical backing and was mandated by Hillary Cass.

Mandated?

SmudgeBrown · Today 14:35

Blair went to Fettes.

Shortshriftandlethal · Today 15:12

SmudgeBrown · Today 14:25

According to the Times, a longtime supporter of trans rights, Burnham criticised last year’s Supreme Court ruling that defined “sex” in the Equality Act as biological sex.

He has argued it makes daily life and access to public facilities more “confusing” for transgender people. He has advocated for a new consensus rather than strict legal exclusion.

Edited

That means absolutely nothing though. It's a total fudge in the manner of Kier Starmer. The consensus is already established - and that is single sex spaces refer to biological sex.

If establishments want to offer a third 'neutral' faclity they can; and in fact some already are. There need be no confusion at all. But Burnham simply creates more confusion because of his refusal to be clear about the details .

There is no 'consesnus' on some men being in women's protected spaces, and there never will be.

Shortshriftandlethal · Today 15:13

SmudgeBrown · Today 14:30

Mandated?

Yes, she suggested there needed to be a study into the efficacy, along with recorded data. This was a mandate from a clinical professional that the activists have now launched upon.

PrettyDamnCosmic · Today 15:28

Shortshriftandlethal · Today 15:13

Yes, she suggested there needed to be a study into the efficacy, along with recorded data. This was a mandate from a clinical professional that the activists have now launched upon.

Edited

Mandated implies it's compulsory whereas it's more correct to say she recommended further research not mandated it.

Shortshriftandlethal · Today 17:16

PrettyDamnCosmic · Today 15:28

Mandated implies it's compulsory whereas it's more correct to say she recommended further research not mandated it.

She has effectively mandated the trial though, hasn't she? Everyone can, and does, now use the excuse that it is necessary. You can quibble abiut semantics all you like, but that is the net effect.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 17:19

It feels like Streeting has withered away into the background by now, is he biding his time still? It was all a bit of a damp squib when he resigned.

SmudgeBrown · Today 17:27

Shortshriftandlethal · Today 15:13

Yes, she suggested there needed to be a study into the efficacy, along with recorded data. This was a mandate from a clinical professional that the activists have now launched upon.

Edited

I don't think Cass was in a position to ‘mandate’ anything, but yes, she suggested that research was necessary to establish whether puberty blockers made these children’s puberties more bearable, and the medical establishment has stepped up.

I also don’t think it’s activists, or even activists within medicine.

It’s worth listening to Stella O’Malley’s latest Beyond Gender podcast where she and Mia interview Dr Louise Irvine, of the Clinical advisory network on sex and gender. They discuss this very point, and remind us that while the ‘law fare’ aspect of challenging genderism is largely successful, the medical side continues in its merry way, setting up puberty trials, setting up clinics and hubs etc etc.

Shortshriftandlethal · Today 17:35

SmudgeBrown · Today 17:27

I don't think Cass was in a position to ‘mandate’ anything, but yes, she suggested that research was necessary to establish whether puberty blockers made these children’s puberties more bearable, and the medical establishment has stepped up.

I also don’t think it’s activists, or even activists within medicine.

It’s worth listening to Stella O’Malley’s latest Beyond Gender podcast where she and Mia interview Dr Louise Irvine, of the Clinical advisory network on sex and gender. They discuss this very point, and remind us that while the ‘law fare’ aspect of challenging genderism is largely successful, the medical side continues in its merry way, setting up puberty trials, setting up clinics and hubs etc etc.

Edited

In doing so she validated the concept of the trans child, though...rather than simply a distressed child led astray/validated in a delusion/false premise - by those that should know better.

It is naive not to be aware that there are activist doctors and others involved. You might call this. " stepping up" but I'd call them activists. Someone who has embraced the idea ( and the wider ideology) that there is such a thing as a 'gender identity' and that some children might benefit from having a perfectly natural part of their development halted, and subverted.

Shortshriftandlethal · Today 17:37

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 17:19

It feels like Streeting has withered away into the background by now, is he biding his time still? It was all a bit of a damp squib when he resigned.

I suspect he'll make himself known fairly soon. Even if he stands no chance of winning any leadership election, he can certainly pose some important questions when it comes to future direction and firm policy proposal.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page