Town Vs Country and believing in GI.

[CassOle]

I was reading the posts of one of our delightful ploppers, and they commented something like 'what world do you live in? The more I read, the more I wondered if they had ever spent time lambing (or similar). Or whether they were someone who had always lived in a town/city.

The fashion choices are all ones that fall away to nothing when you are checking your animals are OK, have water and forage during a long, wet, cold winter. You (regardless of your sex) need proper outdoor clothing for the weather.

The 'sex is bimodal' idea is just stupid when you are selecting Rams, having the vet scan pregnant ewes, and working hard when the ewes are lambing.

So, I'm wondering whether where you live (and what you do) has any impact on how beliveable gender identity ideology is to an individual?

Honestly? In the rural community I live and move in, but also local town, my experience is that no one would really believe this. But I’d say we’re also very tolerant and live and let live.
I would think people are perfectly safe to be who they want to be but in terms of believing people can change sex? Not a chance.

*by "ploppers" you mean "person who doesn't agree with me" (rude, but ok)

A plopper is someone who posits an argument on a thread - often a shit one with no substance - but never comes back when challenged on it. Generally, they are putting forward TRA points.*

I’ve wondered if there’s some kind of rota. There are some that stay for a while & change their names, like Onepostwonder & the psycho who wanted to rape women with a splintery rolling pin, and others who plop onto a thread, post once or twice & then disappear.

To be fair, I don’t think all of them believe they can actually change sex. But as far as I’m concerned the biggest red line is when they use women’s toilets, changing rooms etc.

It’s all very well saying they’re ’just living their lives’ and ‘be kind’ but if they truly respect & identify with women, they’ll be kind to us by using male spaces.

There are some that stay for a while & change their names, like Onepostwonder...

I've never changed my name. I've thought about it though. There's probably a better one waiting out there for me, I've just not found it.

Polypostwonder?
Multipostwonder?
Manypostwonder?

All would suit you well I think. 🙂
(I'm not being sarky BTW)

Polypostwonder gets my vote.

@onepostwonder as you're clearly no longer just plopping one post on a thread and then disappearing off, a name change does seem sensible.

Will you be staying around on here and contributing constructively to the thread, or is it still early days on engaging with the points that people raise?

Although I've disagreed with TransRuralLife above, I do appreciate the actual engagement with the points within the OP. It would be good to see more of that. We don't all have to agree, but plopping is pointless. It's akin to a child sticking their fingers in their ears and running away.

In my experience the link between people with DSDs and those who consider themselves "trans" is rarely made explicit by those seeking to align the two but, the most coherent interpretation possible seems to go something like:

"Sometimes sex development of humans does not follow the entire usual path for the person's sex (see DSDs) and the expected primary and secondary characteristics for one sex may . Therefore it is possible that those who consider themselves trans have a type of DSD as yet undiscovered by science, despite the fact we've found no scientific evidence of that whatsoever. Therfore they should be grouped and considered together."

I think homosexuality is brought into it on a similar basis, and because people like to say, "human sexual development" rather than "sex development" (I changed my own wording above for clarity) and then get confused between sexuality and sex.

In short, I agree with you, but I also found the DSD rabbit hole very interesing and as a rule I think is generally important to spread accurate information to counter the volume of misinformation that floats around unchallenged.

Just a reminder that the poster was AidaP and I’m pretty sure he’s still about. He has a very distinctive, wordy, posting style which manages to be simultaneously threatening and condescending.

Ah ok sorry - I thought you were ButterflyHatched under a name change.

I'll say this much for you, TransRuralLife, if you're still around, you're a fast learner!

At 17:24 10/05 you posted
I'm not familiar enough with the intimacies of Imane Khelif's biology or life history to make an educated comment.

But by 18:17 you confidently stated that
While the discredited IBA claimed she has XY chromosomes, they never disclosed the exact test results. There has been speculation that it could be 5-alpha reductase deficiency (5-ARD), but no specific condition has ever been confirmed by Khelif or the IOC or any other source.

Maybe that was just a direct quote that you found quickly and copied straight off the internet - but surely not, because you didn't put it in quotation marks or provide a link to the source, which is the way we do things on this board, we like to be able to check things out for ourselves from primary sources, and form opinions based on as many verifiable facts we can muster.

TheHereticalOne's post at 21:49 10/05 is a good example, with links to not one but three sources.

edited to remove those random asterisks that make you look like you're swearing at someone😦

Yes, in that farm animals (and farmers!) are too worried about the survival of the flock to worry about gender expression. If a ewe acts dominant or a ram acts passive, who gives a fuck, UNLESS it screws up the ability of the herd to survive. That humans (male, female, people who identify as a trans of either type) spend so much time, effort, and money on gender expression, and it has such an oversized effect on how society treats you, is a huge part of the whole problem. It’s starting to get to the point where acting out gender expression is more important than an actual gender. How absolutely fucked.

Do I think “ugly,” “older” women are treated just as disrespectfully by society as trans-women who don’t “pass”? Yes, I do. Because society is, at its core, judgmental of anyone who doesn’t “spend enough” expressing their chosen gender, and for humans, the connection to sex has gotten completely lost under costumes.

I think it’ll get “easier” to have less debate over this as AI progresses. You cannot pretend the answer to “is this likely to be breast cancer” when asking ChatGPT will NOT be affected by your biological sex (whatever it is). And if you put in that your sex is female when it’s actually male, you will be wasting technological advancements that could contribute to human survival (spotting early cancers based on data input).

Poor KG74 (who wrote the quote below).

"When lambing, we always had a male, female, 'not sure' pen as it wasn't always easy to tell the sex of some lambs."

InstantlyBella has let us all know on the YouGov Poll thread that we need over 70 imaginary pens for these imaginary lambs, or we could be 'cruel and hurtful'!

I've lived in both towns and more rural environments. Smaller communities tend, in my view, to tolerate other opinions/ behaviours because they may need to call upon your help in an emergency. You try not to piss people off too much. In a town or city there isnt always the same opportunity to trade favours. So while you may get trans people in rural areas you probably dont get the same "everybody hates me/ you are all bigots" type comments because you may need help from those you've just been offensive to.

I seem to have failed in my name change.... (I just read on the comment (?) thing that it will only work in a new post... anyway, hi from polypostwonder!)

Yes, I think you have to stick to the same name throughout a thread.

There is no such thing as a 'lesbian' cow. And frankly, anyone destroying a bull for not impregnating cows in the herd has money to burn and little sense.