Starmer appoint Harman as his advisor on women and girls

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Kier Starmer has apparently appointed Harriet Harman as his advisor on women and girls

https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2053034283003007255?s=46

he really really still doesn't get it does he?

They remind me of the LDs, but with zero energy.
Indeed, what is the point of most niche parties other than ego massaging?
SDP, Advance, Reclaim, Heritage, YP, Alba?

There are certain micro-parties that were active years ago but have long been defunct (BNP or NF on the right fit this profile; on the left, I see the WRP is still going) that keep up a minimal level of activity so they can receive legacies from deceased members. For whoever has inherited the leadership, they provide a modest living for little effort.

There's a certain low level of politics where it's really just about material incentives. See also, the young men Rupert Lowe has hired to run his movement, who are more or less openly just using Lowe to get on the housing ladder.

I actually find it insulting

Pity poor Lowe bagman Connor Tomlinson, a few months back monstered by that room full of affluent Centrist Dad Boomers, telling him to go to Russia if he thought the UK wasn't a democracy and he couldn't afford to buy a property, start a family or run a pension. He's never recovered, he certainly didn't stop talking about it.
Prediction, Restore amount to nothing outside the declining seaside fiefdom of Lowe's Great Yarmouth, the SDP mope about in semi-obscurity

They're very much in the same position as the Communist Party - they might be useful as a think tank, but not as a realistic option to vote for.
Sadly, I agree

I remember seeing clips of protests during the Comment is Free Guardian debates in 2014 and will post link if I find them. As a victim of child abuse in the 60s and 70s, PIE was anathema to me but the attitudes of many in psychiatry and social services were appalling.

Nothing has changed, absolutely nothing.
I remember as I first became aware of the depth of institutional acquiescence to GI, my tiny brain couldn't comprehend how professions vowing to fight for children and women would do very much the opposite, plying us with platitudes.
When I finally black-pilled, and realized these very institutions were as much a danger as a help, the ideology became very clear indeed.
The same institutional push to normalize PIE exists in the drive to normalize grooming, whether that's Labour and it's multitudinous local associations turning a blind eye to the grooming gangs as Labour saw fit to also ignore what PIE was all about, or a medical profession, education and social services, that have taken the path of least resistance on GI.
The Labour Party in particular, especially when they neuter the grooming gangs enquiry, should be genuinely punished by voters at the GE, these locals just the start.
Harman being called in by Starmer to head up Women's And Girls rights, has such resonance in light of all they've done in local govt in the North and Midlands for decades.

Yes, I remember PIE being on the front page of the Daily Express in the late 70s. Harman and the NCCL weren't the only ones to give child abusers a platform. The dreadful Tom O'Carroll worked at the Open University whilst openly campaigning for child molesters' rights. Starmer is foolish to bring in Harman and Brown but he's probably on the way out and has been a massive disappointment.

Calling them 'grooming gangs' is part of the problem and dilutes the gravity of their crimes. They are child rapist gangs.

Women warned her about PIE and she chose to ignore them in favour of pursuing her own career goals. She didn't lose any sleep worrying about the children who would be trapped in nightmare scenarios if PIE had got their way.

She has also had women explain to her what will happen to the most vulnerable women and girls if men are allowed to self identify into previously sex segregated spaces. Once again she chose to prioritise herself and pretend not to see the obvious danger of allowing men into women's prisons, hospital wards, sports, changing rooms, toilets etc.

She's happy to let other people stick their necks out and get cancelled and shunned, but she strongly prioritises herself over the protection of some of the most vulnerable children and women.

I think Starmer is trolling the electorate, and agree that had Labour done the job they were elected to do then Reform would not just have wiped them out in the elections.

I'm pretty sure I read the victims are adamant they keep the name "grooming gangs".
In that the modus operandi was the way the girls were procured, traded within family, clan and kin groups, used within the heroin business.
This isn't "just" mass rape, but an organized, commercial, and critically, family/clan/kin-based network that "groom" these girls.
And what was PIE if it wasn't also grooming-based, ditto the adults that prey on minors and make women's lives a misery via grooming behavior in the the trans ideology world?
Until a few years ago, I would clutch my pearls and refuse to use the word "groom" about adults actively in contact with children who are trans IDing.
Thankfully I lost those pearls in recent years.
Where PIE wasn't ostensibly successful in their aims, sadly so many other areas of abuse, much covered up and facilitated by institutions, has otherwise come to pass.

Is it real girls and women or including ones with cocks ie men? I think we know...urgh revolting paedo supporter.

Is that directed at me?

Unless you're Harriet Harman then no.

Haha, not guilty. Maybe guilty of misunderstanding you, lol.

A few of the victims wanted the term 'grooming' but others didn't.

All child abuse is organised and planned to various degrees, including that within families. Like most criminals, child molesters put some forethought and forward planning into their crimes. Such as, choosing a partner unlikely to challenge them if they're abusing their children; turning other children against one child so they'll scapegoat and blame them; planting ideas about the child's honesty and isolating the victim/s. They know that the day might come when the victim tries to disclose and they prepare for that.

But isn't this grooming scandal at a level beyond the normal level of sadism? Clan-based honour system, not seen typically in white perpetrators, and not much outside the Mirpuri area? A reason why "grooming" takes on an extra significance.

It was/is, yes but IMO the term “grooming” doesn’t get across the full horror of what happened and arguably it allowed it to be swept under the carpet more easily.

And child rape gangs doesn't quite encompass it fully.
I'm not sure any apparent dilution of the heinousness of these gangs by using the word grooming is the reason urgency to get this enquiry sorted is lessened.

It is worth remembering that at the time both PIE and trans rights were trying to become "respectable" by presenting themselves as similar to, and by implication, part of gay rights activism. And as we know trans rights suceeded.

Article from 2014 about PIE.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26352378

And in response to a PP upthread, yes a lot of lefties did for instance take the position that if Mary Whitehouse was for something they they were against it.

I know many feminists from the time thought Mary Whitehouse was right but the Socialist Feminist block (who always assumed they were superior feminists not unlike those who are called the "head girls" today) just used this to say that Radical and Revoluionary Feminist had no political analysis.

Or maybe they (the Soc Fems) had all been queered.

I don't disagree that - like Starmer - he inherited a difficult political position, with a terrible economy and the endless breaching of the 'Social Contract' by the unions. But he presided over the Winter of Discontent where the unions really were completely out of control and did very little to improve the economy beyond relying on IMF funding. Galloping inflation had hurt a lot of people and if you didn't have a union negotiation a 20-30% pay rise for you then you were screwed.

Defeating Benn's Alternative Economic Strategy wouldn't have been difficult; Benn was an absolute loon and the Cabinet would never have agreed to a high-tax protectionist scheme that simply wouldn't work.

Callaghan had been like a rabbit frozen in the political headlights since he took over from Wilson. By the time he buggered off to the Caribbean in 1979 and gave an absolutely disastrous press conference on his return - relaxed and tanned while everyone had been through the most horrendous Winter and strike-driven shortages - his tone-deafness and out-of-touchness was there for all to see.

I don't doubt he was a good politician but - like Major (who I actually have quite a lot of time for) - he was just vastly out of step with an electorate which was desperate for actual change, not just soothing words.

It is worth remembering that at the time both PIE and trans rights were trying to become "respectable" by presenting themselves as similar to, and by implication, part of gay rights activism

Yes, the force teaming is a recurring theme, it would seem.

I remember reading about PIE some time ago; the piece I read said that a significant percentage of the protestors were mothers who were derided as being out-of-touch angry old feminists who just weren't 'up to speed' with modern viewpoints, as well as using National Front opposition as an attempt to discredit opposition to PIE as the preserve of the far right.

Same shit, different decade...

Yes, that Caribbean sun tan, tone deaf or what?!

Does anyone remember that absolutely horrible document about how to get pedophilia accepted and normalised? It was much the same thing. Specific stuff in there about social media shaming and sneering at those who protested and how it was useful to use slurs such as old, old fashioned, pearl clutch etc. The need to break down the family unit (get the protectors out of the way) and to particularly move children away from women who are highly inconvenient obstacles. And of course normalising nudity and sexual behaviours not normally considered appropriate or socially acceptable in public.

It was revolting but it was exactly the marketing stuff of the Denton document. Some bastard actually sat and thought it through and wrote it, in corporate burble, and so many of the strategies have been used against women in identity politics.

I don't remember that document but the modus operandi doesn't surprise me at all. These people seem absolutely determined to pursue their proclivities.

You know what else this brings to mind? That 'Family Sex Show' that was being run a few years back.