Does the guardian really not see?

[Theeyeballsinthesky]

"We work tirelessly to establish the facts – and when we get them wrong, we correct them. For democracy to survive, for society to progress, we need a shared foundation of facts. If we cannot broadly agree that the grass is green, we cannot have a conversation about what to do about the pollutants that are killing it"

https://www.theguardian.com/media/ng-interactive/2026/may/06/how-to-survive-the-information-crisis-we-once-talked-about-fake-news-now-reality-itself-feels-fake

this is a good article about the importance of facts, connection and how society might navigate the current crisis of mis and dis information

and yet Viner has written the above with clearly straight face while editing a paper that hounded out journalists who said that no one can change sex and continues to relentlessly push the TWAW/ppl especially women who don't believe are nasty bigots and to put it kindly misrepresent the law in this area

dors she reallly not see or is she just as much of a victim of all the things she points out in her article?

I'm disputing that behaviours determine sex and I don't give the tiniest bit of shit about gender, none at all, whatsoever.

No. It's a man who adopts insulting stereotypes of femninity to get a sexual thrill whilst demonstrating his profound contempt for women and girls,exercising his male privilege.

Again, are you disputing males & females share personality traits that manifest in gendered behaviours? Butch women any one?

'Believe' is the key word here. We are looking at ideological articles of faith. A secular religion. Issues of faith have nothing to do with reason; and, in fact, anything which which contradicts one's faith or obstructs it any way is merely perceived as a test of that faith.This is the politics of the social media age, driven by US originated 'social justice activism' and intractably polarised.

The Guardian is very dependent on its American readership in recent times and you see that reflected by all of the guest american writers they employ.

BBC is looking to US too. Most of their evening output on the News channel is focussed on the US, with American co-presenters and guests.

Still not getting behavioural associations?

Err, you do realise that in most everyday human interactions we differentiate men from women without doing gametal tests. Oh wait……

So it sounds like you disagree with the Guardian’s premise (ie you say it doesn’t matter if we call grass different colours). It’s still inconsistent of them.

On your substance though: I agree minors and adults are both humans and both can be protected while recognising they are both humans. However I think it would be much harder to do so if some people called some group of adults as minors and some groups of minors as adults on the basis of a value system that we don’t all share. It makes navigating the underlying policy issues much harder (ie I agree with the Guardian’s premise).

Yes, we all know that some behaviours or traits are labelled as 'Masculine' and some as 'feminine'. This is not a new phenomena. The new phenomena is 'gender identity theory' which postulates that having certain traits is what makes you male or female, when we all really know that sex is rooted in the body, in biology and is determined at conception.

Gender Theory is deeply regressive. It is as if a new generation - educated into Social Justice Activism and Queer Theory has forgotten that there was ever a Women's movement, or a Gay liberation movement... having embraced contemporary forms of transhumanism...in which the Self and the body are totally separate, and the body is merely a marketable item of supposed self expression.

Well if you had any clue what gender critical means, you would know that we do not dispute that. Anyone can present as masculine or feminine but it doesn’t change their sex. And female single sex spaces are for the use of females only.

I think the Guardian does see, OP, but it doesn’t care. Keeping in with the currently fashionable dogma is more important than women’s rights or child safeguarding or the basic requirement of journalism to tell the truth.

I feel like some posters on the Relationships board. Getting dumped by the Guardian was a painful shock, but I have dried my tears and moved on.

I can’t imagine loving the Telegraph or the Sunday Times the way I loved the Guardian. But it’s a long time since reading it was like a chat with a wise and encouraging friend.

This was the point I was making. The Guardian and other institutions having influence will take a narrow slice of "acceptable" trans people, activists, and views, and use them in the narrative they create and deliver that there's no problem happening except for the oppression of the most marginalised.

This is because they're after promoting a right side of history narrative. The truth of which is of secondary importance.

No they don't. That's been long debunked. The fact is the numbers used to pretend this misinformation to be true were based on incarceration rates not offending rates. Big difference. For example we have no idea how many violent crimes are committed because most aren't reported. See: rape. Not to mention the trans community is so minuscule its impossible to draw any meaningful statistical conclusions.

Yes, we differentiate through obvious physical clues honed through millennia of human experienece and instinctive perception. Shallow and superficial surface presentations that mimic social stereotypes cannot disguise what lies beneath,

☝🏻 this!

This has not "long been de-bunked"; in fact as time goes on the evidence that supports this fact simply grows.

You don't need to have an exceptionally large sample to measure the numbers in the smaller sample you have. If your target group is proportionately smaller than the standard group - then the measurements will be proportionate to that,

But they do & you do this yourself everyday without even knowing when your unconscious mind determines sex based on exterior characteristics & behaviours. Sorry to break the news to you but you are 'hard wired' to make such instantaneous gendered categorisations whether you 'like it or not'.

Thank you for your projection but as mentioned upthread typical behaviours & stereotypes are two very different things.

Ok let’s look at homicide which has a very high reporting rate.

Transwomen exhibit a ratio of perpetrator-to-victim that lines up almost exactly with the male one and is nothing like the female one.

papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=6182901
Biggs, Michael and North, Ace. Transgender Homicides in Britain, 2000-2025: Victims and Perpetrators. Revised April 2026.

The only thing which determines sex is chromosomes. All else is individual character and personality and to some extent culture, though maybe some generalised tendencies within each grouping. Being caring and nurturing, for example, doesn't determine a human being as a woman. Men can also be caring and nurturing. And liking shopping for soft furnishings doesn't determine your sex, either.

Honestly.....critical thinking. Judith Butler obscurantism has not served anyone very well.

No, I don't determine based on gendered characterisations, I determine based on sexual characteristics (and no, I don't need to look into someone's pants for this). I can tell a woman from a man, no matter how butch she is or how frilly his skirt.

No, that is just the narrative TRAs roll out because the stats terrify them. The onus is on the activists to prove that trans-identified males offend at the same or at lower rates than women. Let's see that data.

No, a stereotype is rooted in attempts to determine and define something from what is perceived as 'typical'. Note the repetition of the word 'typical'.

Thank you. You've saved me answering the same. I watched the Peggie Vs Upton/NHS tribunal. 'i am a biological female' etc. perhaps Aida can let poor Beth know, I'm sure he'll be gracious at the feedback.

In a similar vein 👀

https://nitter.net/GoodLawProject/status/2050923389888426230#m

Again and again, we’re seeing men use legal loopholes to keep in the shadows while they shut down the women who call them out. Help stop men using the courts to silence women 👇