Does the guardian really not see?

[Theeyeballsinthesky]

"We work tirelessly to establish the facts – and when we get them wrong, we correct them. For democracy to survive, for society to progress, we need a shared foundation of facts. If we cannot broadly agree that the grass is green, we cannot have a conversation about what to do about the pollutants that are killing it"

https://www.theguardian.com/media/ng-interactive/2026/may/06/how-to-survive-the-information-crisis-we-once-talked-about-fake-news-now-reality-itself-feels-fake

this is a good article about the importance of facts, connection and how society might navigate the current crisis of mis and dis information

and yet Viner has written the above with clearly straight face while editing a paper that hounded out journalists who said that no one can change sex and continues to relentlessly push the TWAW/ppl especially women who don't believe are nasty bigots and to put it kindly misrepresent the law in this area

dors she reallly not see or is she just as much of a victim of all the things she points out in her article?

The sentiment clearly isn't they are identical to women

But for plenty of trans activists this is exactly the claim.

Thank you for your opinion. As I mentioned this issue is about values that are underpinned by how different individuals view the world & because we are all individuals we don't all view the world the same. Whilst you & many others believe women are defined by their reproductive characteristics others don't. Ultimately we are talking about beliefs about how things should be understood which isn't the objective truth you think it is.

This is just so regressive and offensive. Can you imagine this being the answer to "what is a black person"?

Yeah nah

nothing on earth changes the pelvis on the left to the one on the right

the only thing, the only thing that makes someone a woman is being born a juvenile human female and growing into an adult human female

Just because people of similar but not the same characteristics are classified as one doesn't mean we can't tackle the conflicting interests that arise between them. For example minors are still humans but we don't legally treat them the same way as adults.

A fringe minority is hardly a reflection of the norm but nice try at exploiting that.

Still @Aisha176 as always we thank you for your service in allowing us the opportunity to lay out for the eleventy billionth time all the reasons why men are not women no matter how they present or what stereotypes they choose to perform

What if an adult identifies as a minor? Should they be treated as one?

Do you challenge the ‘fringe minority’ on how they present their arguments?

My daughter is very intelligent, has managed to pull herself up from the poverty she grew up in. But she is all out TWAW. She says when I say TWAM that is just my opinion. I do not understand it. I point out to her how women are losing out, and she just does not seem to care. Her answer to TIMs in women's prisons is that women can be violent anyway.
Politically, apart from this and Palestine, we are on the same page. It baffles me. Oh, she does not think they should be in sport, but then swore black was white and Imane Khalif was female. She says I am not a true feminist if I don't support TIMs. I often ask her what human rights they dont have, she says I should just be kind. And I think this is where social media has ingrained into the younger generations, that they must be kind. Even when I show her the ugly AGP munters insisting they are women, I am told that most TIMs are not like that, they want to get on with their lives, they pass very well, we would never know. I despair, I really do.

Like Rachel Dolezal? Her "passing" was a deception. Dolezal, a white woman, actively misrepresented her background, lied about her parentage, and used physical alterations (hair, makeup) to create a false persona to "pass" as Black.
Transgender Identity is authentic inclination & expression of behavioural characteristics similar to women.* *Transgender people transition to align their outer life with their internal, lived reality. Transitioning is widely seen as a necessary move toward authenticity, not a fraudulent act designed to deceive

You don't seem to understand the difference between stereotypes & typical behaviours. Stereotypes are social expectations as opposed to on average behaviours that differentiate men from women as a group like a propensity for violence. Social expectations are different from naturally occurring behaviours.

Ah, it's deception in one case but aligning with "internal, lived reality" in the other. How very handy.

The difference being there's an actual association to trans identification as in psychological & behavioural characteristics as opposed to an adult who as no association to a minor.

More regressive, backwards, nonsense. Lots of words to say a woman is someone who ladys ladily enough.
No.
A woman is an adult human female, however she dresses, or behaves. Whether she keeps her knees together with her ankles crossed daintily tucked in behind and stays at home and bakes bread, or whether she farts and burps in her tractor cab. Just like a man is an adult human male whether he is a transvestite with a massive fake breastplate, or not.

All adults were minors at some point, no transwoman was a woman ever or ever will be.

Absolutely. There's no value to their cause in being delusional. I don't support trans women in women's sport for this reason.

Bollocks. At least an Adult has actually been a Minor so has real lived experience of it. No man has any idea what it is to be a woman.

yeah we've heard all of this before @Aisha176

apples are not oranges painted green, rabbits are not gerbils with big ears attached and men are still not women

This is silly because they no longer are maintaining that association as trans people do by their associated behaviours.

Geeez, that is some regressive bullshit.

Are you disputing that males & females share personality traits that manifest in gendered behaviours?

When you - general 'you' - realise that 'trans' (when used regarding human identity) alters the meaning of the following word in the same way that 'fake' or 'pretend' does, it all makes a lot more sense.

So using the example of dogs from upthread:
Pretend dogs are dogs.
Fake dogs are dogs.

So, not actual, real dogs then.

It was said a long time ago, but it remains true, if you actually are something, you don't need to identify as it.

But trans-identified males do have the same propensity for violence as other men. Their 'typical behaviour' in this vital area for safeguarding is male.

That you can't accept your opinion isn't a fact is on you.