Do you avoid the bathroom if there is a transwoman?

[PeachyDaisy]

I’m going to an industry event next week and I know there will be a transwoman attending. Should I use the disabled bathroom to avoid an awkward encounter or just continue to use the women’s and hope not to run into them?

It’s just a shame you are so focused on advocating for these mostly theoretical (in the examples given) and vanishingly rare people that you seek to repeatedly derail a thread on a different topic just to correct some ‘confusion’.

We all know enough about DSDs to get by in life without any issues. Our real problem is men appropriating and weaponising the concept of DSDs to further their aims and combating actual and widespread institutional discrimination against women. Unfortunately you are helping to perpetuate that.

I keep coming back to the question: why don't trans-identified males use their vast wells of aggressive energy and patriarchal privilege to fight for more 'gender neutral'/3rd/4th spaces? As is clear in this, and other judgments, that would be so much simpler and would get so much less kickback and more support.
If they're really so terribly distressed and endangered using facilities provided for their sex, why wouldn't they? Why fight to to shoehorn themselves into the spaces of non-consenting females?
Then all the allies could also use those facilities, and feel very proud of themselves too, and protect the males from the 'outing' some say would be a problem...Everyone happy....

We all know why.....

Yes, and another big question for me is why are so many women so desperate to pander to these men? Spending hours of their time arguing for them and acting against other women. I can’t work out their motivation - does it make them feel superior to them or something?

Miranda Yardley very sensibly suggested this a few years ago, created a petition asking for the government to create additional gender neutral provisions and was swiftly met with major pushback by vocal activists from the trans community who felt he was "transphobic" and "unsafe."

Why would you avoid them? FGS this is such a non issue. If you didn’t know they were trans presumably it would not matter. No you should not use the disabled toilet as that is for people with disabilities. Just use the usual ladies toilet and stop worrying about who else is in there. It only needs to be awkward if you make it so. Most of us go into the bathroom and don’t engage in conversation anyway.

As long as people don’t leave a mess and the cubical is secure I don’t care who else is using the bathroom when it’s a community of known people like a work event

This response is the absolute definition of gaslighting. Trying to frame a fundamental safeguarding boundary as a mere 'social awkwardness' completely misses the point.

The most validating thing right now is that the highest authorities in the UK have officially run out of patience with this fantasy. Just look at the incredible news today regarding Faye’s huge tribunal win against NHS England. So happy for Faye.

If it's a "non-issue" in a "community of known people", then surely it will be no risk or problem for a trans identifying male to use the gents'. So he might as well do that.

Great. Well you can use the inevitable gender neutral loos with the trans-identified males, to validate them, and the rest of us will use the single-sex ones. Thanks for volunteering to take one for the team.

Today's judgment, and so far every judgment on this subject, has come back disagreeing with you.

Obviously for many women it's not a non-issue. Women have a legal right to single sex resources and facilities for equality of access - lots of info on why this may affect women, the relationships board is a good start - and the bottom line is that judges keep confirming: to push women into using mixed sex spaces against their will is harassment.

The answer's quite simple (and also in all the judgments) to have additional mixed sex facilities. All the people who wish can use those, and all the people who wish to use single sex spaces can use those. Accessibility and equality for all. What's not to love?

And if, God forbid, you ever experience something that makes mixed sex provision untenable to you and your eyes are opened to other women's lives and barriers by experience, the single sex spaces will be there for you. Courtesy of the women who stood up for them and for the women who need them.

You are the one saying you had a condition you didn't even know the name of.

Yep. Feminism for all women, even those who are a bit silly.

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · Today 19:42
Great. Well you can use the inevitable gender neutral loos with the trans-identified males, to validate them, and the rest of us will use the single-sex ones. Thanks for volunteering to take one for the team.

These are an absolute masterclass of a response. It exposes the hypocrisy of the women who try to dismantle our rights, while beautifully revealing a profound truth: it is the 'sex realists' who are doing the actual, long-term work to protect all women—including the very ones currently attacking us.

When their eyes are eventually opened to why these boundaries matter, the single-sex spaces they tried to get rid of will still be there to protect them, entirely courtesy of the women who refused to stay silent. Brilliant post.

I'm saying there was no bandwagon I hopped on to more than 40 years ago. Or now, as I am almost 60. I don't need a reason to blame for what I experienced. It just was.

Every one of us knows women with DSDs. They know who they are. I know I am not one.

absolutely great to see you acknowledge that you are not a woman.

thank you.

Every one of us knows women with DSDs. They know who they are. I know I am not one.

Since DSDs are 0.018% of the population, I doubt that.

This bandwagon was you saying you had VSD when you didn't even know what VSD was.

And yes we know you arent a woman with a DSD or without.

The claim that 'every one of us knows women with DSDs' is statistically absurd.

I would really encourage people to do some actual research before posting these types of untruths on a women's forum to create a smoke screen. If you take the time to look up the peer-reviewed medical data, you might actually find it highly enlightening and educational.

No mate. It really wasn’t. You were born male. You are male. You (allegedly) took some drugs and had some surgeries. Unfortunate that still makes you male. #sadtimes

But wouldn’t that also go for the TIMs? If it’s not a big deal to use the toilet for your sex as “no one else cares who’s in there”, why can the males not happily use male toilets?

I didn't say i had a VSD. I said my sex development variated. Which it did, during puberty after testosterone was suppressed with oestrogen.

If this is the official sex realist count of DSDs, then statistically, most people have met at least one person affected by a DSD. I heard they were much more prevalent.

It has nothing to do with 'sex realists' it's the actual biological statistical data, and since it is less than one percent, the odds are most people will go through life without even meeting one person with a DSD, since it's so incredibly rare.