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Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?

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HazelLemur · 27/04/2026 17:39

Dear friends,

As anyone paying attention to current trans affairs knows, the anti-trans brigade like to throw around what they think is the “killer question”.

"What is a woman, then?"

These people will often engage in triumphal sneering as they further insist "Your chromosomes are what you are; XX are women and XY are men. It's science, innit?"

And as a confident trans-woman I say to these people "Absolutely! What is a woman? Great question! Let's examine that".

To begin, let's consult three definitive sources:

First, the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language.
Then, modern genetics and neurophysiology.
And finally, up to date research on brain structure in cisgender and transgender women.

First, the dictionary.
For this, let's go with the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language:

Woman (noun)

  1. an adult female human being
  2. an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth

As we can see from #2, despite the recent social backlash and disproportionately loud screeching from certain murky corners of the internet, Western culture as a whole is moving toward accepting the validity of trans peoples' inner gender identity. No person with a working moral compass would consider this a bad thing.

Next, let’s summarize genetics and neurophysiology.

Modern society routinely treats all the following “XY” humans as WOMEN, however...
-You can be a woman because you have X & Y chromosomes but your body is insensitive to androgens and you have female anatomy & gender identity.
Ah, so much for the childishly simplistic “But women = XX and men = XY".
-You can be a woman with X & Y chromosomes but your Y is missing the SRY gene, so you have a female body and gender identity (yes, this is a real thing despite your denials).

People who have X & Y chromosomes, but their Y is missing the SRY gene, develop a female body.
Should we treat such people as men, in society, when they have the body of a woman, simply because simpletons insist that XY = Male?
Only an inveterate bigot with some weird religious and/or psychosexual axe to grind would say yes.

You can be a woman with XXY or XXXY chromosomes, giving you a male body but female brain/body map and gender identity.
-You can be a woman with XY chromosomes but a mutation called CBX2 that blocks the influence of the SRY gene.
-You can be a woman because you have 46,XY in some cells but 46,XX in other cells, or 47, XXY.

These are all valid, scientifically obervable genetic variations that highlight the "But XX = women and XY = men" mantra for the simplistic, unscientific nonsense that it is.

And lastly, there are studies of brain structure.
These show that in the section of the brain that determines one’s sense of gender identity.

The brains of transgender women are almost identical to those of cisgender women.
The brains of trans men also align more with cisgender men than they do with women.

And so, to summarize

Modern science, which is how rational people resolve differences of opinion.
It is not about referring to holy books, written in pre-scientific ages past.
It is not about regurgitating simplistic, binary statements that you learnt in the 4th grade.

This shows us that, genetically and biologically speaking, there are many types of women; including transgender women like me.

P.S. In this essay we have a summary of the cutting edge science which validates transgender womens' biologically determined, inner sense of gender identity.

As I’ve said, a rational society follows rational explanations, and doesn’t define its people via outdated religious or cultural ideas.
But beyond that, there is simply human courtesy and kindness.

It’s cruel, hateful and rude for the transphobic bigots to demand that people be forced to conform to their anti-scientific notions.

No one's life is affected negatively by honoring a transwoman as a woman, as the historical record of many trans accepting societies have shown.

Good people will see the very challenging dilemma that transwomen are in, and their natural empathy, coupled with scientific insight, will make them want to support their fellow human beings in being who they know they are.

And so, I ask all of you:

Should we as a society treat trans-women as the women their brain and neurobiology tells us they are? And, if not, why on earth wouldn’t we?

P.P.S. The image in this post is of women who have XY chromosomes, but an androgen insensitivity syndrome which causes their bodies to develop as female.
Would anyone in their right mind insist we treat them as males, simply because of their chromosomal makeup?
The bigots might, but you know you're better than that, right?

Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?
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DialSquare · 28/04/2026 12:44

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:21

As I keep saying, this whole thread is pointless.

Not really. OP posts a load of bollocks, many posters point out it’s a load of bollocks but also ask for proof of certain claims (to no avail) and you come on here complaining about both sides but with no suggestions whatsoever. That’s pointless.

DuchessofStaffordshire · 28/04/2026 12:45

TheKeatingFive · 28/04/2026 12:43

How anyone could vote for a party headed up by the clown that is Zack Polanski, I'll never understand.

We'll, I've always wanted bigger boobs, so I'm considering taking a punt on them!

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 12:46

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:41

I was a Labour voter for thirty years. Switched to the Greens last year because I think they're exactly what we need.

At least the latest polls show Reform in decline and the Greens on the rise. Just have to hope that trend continues all the way to the next election.

Hear, hear.

The Tory Mk.2 party- sorry, the Reform Party - would be an utter disaster on so many levels; as has been repeatedly shown in both endless revelations about the immoral and often illegal behaviour of many of their representatives, the absolute shitshow of their handling of local councils they've won, the abysmal record of their policies, etc.

How any turkey can be dissatisfied with the broken state of the country and then go and pledge their vote to the people who broke it is beyond comprehension.

The Greens really are one of the only hopes we have left, considering the utter failure of Labour.

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MrsColinRobinson · 28/04/2026 12:46

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 12:19

Oh, the irony 🙄

And where is the evidence requested over 20 pages? Many have asked and you claimed in your OP to want rational debate before resorting to misogynistic language and used a confused woman's participation as a shield.

You've continually dodged any of the many well evidenced arguments that contradict your 'scientific ' claims and are only here to provoke. It's so clear you can't back anything you copied and pasted to start this pitiful thread.

Oh and far more women in the real world don't believe TWAW or want to share space with men but the real cult - the TRA movement - has created a situation where they're unable to express themselves without fear of violence, risk to their careers or women's groups shut down.

Either engage in the debate you disingenuously began or crawl back from where you came from.

EdithStourton · 28/04/2026 12:47

Oh dear. I got me a deletion. My first in literally years.
Let's repeat my point without my comments about OP's personality.

He keeps banging on about the "GC cult". Understanding basic biology doesn't make anyone a cult member.
Seeking to preserve the privacy and dignity of women doesnt make anyone a cult member.

Edited for SPAG.

MarieDeGournay · 28/04/2026 12:47

This is pointless. The whole thing is pointless. We're not going to settle it here, or in any of the other spaces in which this subject gets debated.

I tend to agree with you, Iggy.

Every now and then threads like this appear, where someone posts a statement which derives from a non-biological definition of sex which extends the boundaries of the term 'woman' to include some men.

A disagreement on the very definition of 'woman', between posters who believe that some men can be women, and posters who accept the biological definition, is as you say, never going to be settled, here or elsewhere.

It's a conflict between set of verifiable scientific facts about human sex, and a set of claim, feelings, opinions. These are oil and water, and don't mix.
The facts remain facts, the feelings remain feelings.

That's why these discussions end up like this. It makes me wonder why people like the OP even attempt to mix the oil and water, fact and feeling, like that, it seems, from the outset, 'pointless'.

Unless of course there is some kind of ulterior motive e.g. an excuse to call women bigots and cultists and dehumanise them by referring to screeching and howling.

Surely not..

borntobequiet · 28/04/2026 12:47

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:21

As I keep saying, this whole thread is pointless.

The thread is, like similar ones, valuable in that it exposes the incoherence and lack of reliable evidence in the arguments of genderists. It is also, as others have pointed out, a real-time display of DARVO in action, enhanced by the petulance and condescension we have come to expect.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/04/2026 12:49

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 12:38

Oh dear; those polling indications - with the poundshop fascists in pole position - make for depressing viewing for anyone with a brain and a working moral compass 😕

Edited

But really pleasing for those of us who think the GRA is a nightmare and any blokes going into the girls should be banged up.

Like me.

Secretsquirrelshh · 28/04/2026 12:50

Got it. We're hysterical, unkind, biased, shrill, too much, too loud, too WRONG.

Why do you want to be one of us again?

The "hysterical" part requires a womb, by the way, etymologically speaking.

RayofSunshine18 · 28/04/2026 12:50

Is this man, mansplaining being a woman... ?

MarieDeGournay · 28/04/2026 12:50

borntobequiet · 28/04/2026 12:47

The thread is, like similar ones, valuable in that it exposes the incoherence and lack of reliable evidence in the arguments of genderists. It is also, as others have pointed out, a real-time display of DARVO in action, enhanced by the petulance and condescension we have come to expect.

You're right, I missed the educational aspect of these 'pointless' discussions, especially the inability to back up arguments with verifiable facts, and the egregious examples of DARVO.

EdithStourton · 28/04/2026 12:50

TheKeatingFive · 28/04/2026 12:43

How anyone could vote for a party headed up by the clown that is Zack Polanski, I'll never understand.

A party headed by a clown and full of antisemites.
Sounds fabulous. 🙄
Excuse me if I don't vote for them.

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:51

TheKeatingFive · 28/04/2026 12:43

How anyone could vote for a party headed up by the clown that is Zack Polanski, I'll never understand.

Because he's the only political leader offering something genuinely different to what we have at the moment?

Wealth re-distribution, nationalisation of energy, rail, water, investment in the NHS.... there's so much in their manifesto to like.

It's the people who want to vote Tory that I don't understand. Honestly, they give us 14 years of misery, and you want to give them another go?

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/04/2026 12:51

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 12:46

Hear, hear.

The Tory Mk.2 party- sorry, the Reform Party - would be an utter disaster on so many levels; as has been repeatedly shown in both endless revelations about the immoral and often illegal behaviour of many of their representatives, the absolute shitshow of their handling of local councils they've won, the abysmal record of their policies, etc.

How any turkey can be dissatisfied with the broken state of the country and then go and pledge their vote to the people who broke it is beyond comprehension.

The Greens really are one of the only hopes we have left, considering the utter failure of Labour.

The Greens are not a “hope” for women’s rights if they cannot even say what a woman is.

A party that supports gender self-ID is not defending women. It is making female legal status dependent on male declaration. That is catastrophic for single-sex spaces, sport, prisons, refuges, changing rooms, toilets, data, safeguarding and lesbian boundaries.

The problem is not that the Greens are “too kind”. It is that they have elevated gender identity over sex, then treated women who object as embarrassing heretics.

Even within the Green movement, women have had to organise specifically to defend sex-based rights because those concerns have been marginalised or treated as hostile. The party’s own pro-trans wing supports self-determination of gender. That means, in practice, that the female category becomes mixed-sex by assertion.

And this is not some harmless abstract belief. The whole legal and safeguarding point is that women and girls need boundaries based on sex, not on someone else’s identity. Even the government now states that single-sex spaces are based on biological sex following the Supreme Court ruling.

So no, I do not see the Greens as saviours here.

On this issue, they are not defending women’s rights. They are actively hostile to the basic condition those rights depend on: recognising female people as a sex class.

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 28/04/2026 12:52

EdithStourton · 28/04/2026 12:47

Oh dear. I got me a deletion. My first in literally years.
Let's repeat my point without my comments about OP's personality.

He keeps banging on about the "GC cult". Understanding basic biology doesn't make anyone a cult member.
Seeking to preserve the privacy and dignity of women doesnt make anyone a cult member.

Edited for SPAG.

Edited

I mean, I never got a membership card. And we don’t have a creed. Just a core belief shared with most of the world about it being impossible to change sex.

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:53

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/04/2026 12:49

But really pleasing for those of us who think the GRA is a nightmare and any blokes going into the girls should be banged up.

Like me.

Anyone who would vote Reform - knowing what a bunch of nasty racist fascists they are - simply because of their position on gender, should hang their head in shame.

BackToLurk · 28/04/2026 12:53

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 12:46

Hear, hear.

The Tory Mk.2 party- sorry, the Reform Party - would be an utter disaster on so many levels; as has been repeatedly shown in both endless revelations about the immoral and often illegal behaviour of many of their representatives, the absolute shitshow of their handling of local councils they've won, the abysmal record of their policies, etc.

How any turkey can be dissatisfied with the broken state of the country and then go and pledge their vote to the people who broke it is beyond comprehension.

The Greens really are one of the only hopes we have left, considering the utter failure of Labour.

“One of the only hopes we have left”?

But the person who wrote the OP is in New York. Is this your admission that you just nicked it (and is that why you can’t defend it?)

borntobequiet · 28/04/2026 12:53

Because he's the only political leader offering something genuinely different to what we have at the moment?

Different doesn’t necessarily mean better. In this case, it means worse on just about every measure.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/04/2026 12:54

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:51

Because he's the only political leader offering something genuinely different to what we have at the moment?

Wealth re-distribution, nationalisation of energy, rail, water, investment in the NHS.... there's so much in their manifesto to like.

It's the people who want to vote Tory that I don't understand. Honestly, they give us 14 years of misery, and you want to give them another go?

“Genuinely different” does not mean “fit to govern”.

The Greens are offering fantasy economics: take more money from other people, nationalise vast sectors, promise huge spending, and pretend the hard bit is just having nicer intentions.

Wealth taxes sound simple until people move assets, leave, litigate valuations, restructure ownership, or simply stop investing here. Nationalising energy, water and rail would cost vast sums before a single service improved. The state would inherit the debt, the infrastructure problems, the unions, the bureaucracy and the blame.

That is not courage. It is sixth-form socialism with a press office.

And no, “the Tories were bad” does not make the Greens good. A terrible government does not magically validate an even more economically incoherent one.

On women’s rights, the Greens are worse still. They have repeatedly shown they do not understand, or do not care, that sex matters. Their politics replaces female rights with gender identity, then sneers at women who object.

Add the party’s wider problems around extremism, antisemitism concerns, activist capture and magical thinking, and the idea that Zack Polanski is some serious future Prime Minister is laughable.

The Greens may win protest votes in a few pockets.

They are not winning a general election. Not now, not under this leadership, and not on a platform of tax, nationalise, deny sex, and call it compassion.

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:55

MarieDeGournay · 28/04/2026 12:47

This is pointless. The whole thing is pointless. We're not going to settle it here, or in any of the other spaces in which this subject gets debated.

I tend to agree with you, Iggy.

Every now and then threads like this appear, where someone posts a statement which derives from a non-biological definition of sex which extends the boundaries of the term 'woman' to include some men.

A disagreement on the very definition of 'woman', between posters who believe that some men can be women, and posters who accept the biological definition, is as you say, never going to be settled, here or elsewhere.

It's a conflict between set of verifiable scientific facts about human sex, and a set of claim, feelings, opinions. These are oil and water, and don't mix.
The facts remain facts, the feelings remain feelings.

That's why these discussions end up like this. It makes me wonder why people like the OP even attempt to mix the oil and water, fact and feeling, like that, it seems, from the outset, 'pointless'.

Unless of course there is some kind of ulterior motive e.g. an excuse to call women bigots and cultists and dehumanise them by referring to screeching and howling.

Surely not..

Verifiable, scientific facts are part of the debate, true. And I agree with you that the OP has, lamentably, failed to provide the facts to back up their argument.

Facts aren't the only things that should be taken into account though. There are also principles and values. That's where I derive a lot of my thinking.

EdithStourton · 28/04/2026 12:55

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 28/04/2026 12:52

I mean, I never got a membership card. And we don’t have a creed. Just a core belief shared with most of the world about it being impossible to change sex.

I've also never had a mystery chunk of cash land in my bank account, nor been able to work out whose sock puppet I am.

Sad times.

BackToLurk · 28/04/2026 12:55

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:51

Because he's the only political leader offering something genuinely different to what we have at the moment?

Wealth re-distribution, nationalisation of energy, rail, water, investment in the NHS.... there's so much in their manifesto to like.

It's the people who want to vote Tory that I don't understand. Honestly, they give us 14 years of misery, and you want to give them another go?

I wouldn’t vote for the party of antisemites when it was Corbyn’s Labour, so I won’t be starting now they’ve painted themselves green

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 28/04/2026 12:55

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:51

Because he's the only political leader offering something genuinely different to what we have at the moment?

Wealth re-distribution, nationalisation of energy, rail, water, investment in the NHS.... there's so much in their manifesto to like.

It's the people who want to vote Tory that I don't understand. Honestly, they give us 14 years of misery, and you want to give them another go?

And bigger boobs for all. Don’t forget that!

I was looking forward to him, to be honest. I’ve always floated between the greens and labour. Then there was the poor response to that appalling child abuse crime, the Challinor debacle.
And the safeguarding dereliction just went on and on. Pure ignorance and carelessness, to be honest. So they have a hell of a lot of shit to shovel before I’ll believe they’ve cleared up their act.

borntobequiet · 28/04/2026 12:55

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/04/2026 12:54

“Genuinely different” does not mean “fit to govern”.

The Greens are offering fantasy economics: take more money from other people, nationalise vast sectors, promise huge spending, and pretend the hard bit is just having nicer intentions.

Wealth taxes sound simple until people move assets, leave, litigate valuations, restructure ownership, or simply stop investing here. Nationalising energy, water and rail would cost vast sums before a single service improved. The state would inherit the debt, the infrastructure problems, the unions, the bureaucracy and the blame.

That is not courage. It is sixth-form socialism with a press office.

And no, “the Tories were bad” does not make the Greens good. A terrible government does not magically validate an even more economically incoherent one.

On women’s rights, the Greens are worse still. They have repeatedly shown they do not understand, or do not care, that sex matters. Their politics replaces female rights with gender identity, then sneers at women who object.

Add the party’s wider problems around extremism, antisemitism concerns, activist capture and magical thinking, and the idea that Zack Polanski is some serious future Prime Minister is laughable.

The Greens may win protest votes in a few pockets.

They are not winning a general election. Not now, not under this leadership, and not on a platform of tax, nationalise, deny sex, and call it compassion.

Thank you for saying what I was too lazy to say (and saying it so well).

AngryHerring · 28/04/2026 12:56

I don't think it's reasonable or practical to ask trans women to use male bathrooms or changing rooms in public spaces. In fact, I think it's dangerous to do so.

I'd like to see evidence of this. And of course if men are dangerous to transwomen why are transwomen (aka men) safe to be in women's spaces? @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers

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