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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?

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HazelLemur · 27/04/2026 17:39

Dear friends,

As anyone paying attention to current trans affairs knows, the anti-trans brigade like to throw around what they think is the “killer question”.

"What is a woman, then?"

These people will often engage in triumphal sneering as they further insist "Your chromosomes are what you are; XX are women and XY are men. It's science, innit?"

And as a confident trans-woman I say to these people "Absolutely! What is a woman? Great question! Let's examine that".

To begin, let's consult three definitive sources:

First, the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language.
Then, modern genetics and neurophysiology.
And finally, up to date research on brain structure in cisgender and transgender women.

First, the dictionary.
For this, let's go with the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language:

Woman (noun)

  1. an adult female human being
  2. an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth

As we can see from #2, despite the recent social backlash and disproportionately loud screeching from certain murky corners of the internet, Western culture as a whole is moving toward accepting the validity of trans peoples' inner gender identity. No person with a working moral compass would consider this a bad thing.

Next, let’s summarize genetics and neurophysiology.

Modern society routinely treats all the following “XY” humans as WOMEN, however...
-You can be a woman because you have X & Y chromosomes but your body is insensitive to androgens and you have female anatomy & gender identity.
Ah, so much for the childishly simplistic “But women = XX and men = XY".
-You can be a woman with X & Y chromosomes but your Y is missing the SRY gene, so you have a female body and gender identity (yes, this is a real thing despite your denials).

People who have X & Y chromosomes, but their Y is missing the SRY gene, develop a female body.
Should we treat such people as men, in society, when they have the body of a woman, simply because simpletons insist that XY = Male?
Only an inveterate bigot with some weird religious and/or psychosexual axe to grind would say yes.

You can be a woman with XXY or XXXY chromosomes, giving you a male body but female brain/body map and gender identity.
-You can be a woman with XY chromosomes but a mutation called CBX2 that blocks the influence of the SRY gene.
-You can be a woman because you have 46,XY in some cells but 46,XX in other cells, or 47, XXY.

These are all valid, scientifically obervable genetic variations that highlight the "But XX = women and XY = men" mantra for the simplistic, unscientific nonsense that it is.

And lastly, there are studies of brain structure.
These show that in the section of the brain that determines one’s sense of gender identity.

The brains of transgender women are almost identical to those of cisgender women.
The brains of trans men also align more with cisgender men than they do with women.

And so, to summarize

Modern science, which is how rational people resolve differences of opinion.
It is not about referring to holy books, written in pre-scientific ages past.
It is not about regurgitating simplistic, binary statements that you learnt in the 4th grade.

This shows us that, genetically and biologically speaking, there are many types of women; including transgender women like me.

P.S. In this essay we have a summary of the cutting edge science which validates transgender womens' biologically determined, inner sense of gender identity.

As I’ve said, a rational society follows rational explanations, and doesn’t define its people via outdated religious or cultural ideas.
But beyond that, there is simply human courtesy and kindness.

It’s cruel, hateful and rude for the transphobic bigots to demand that people be forced to conform to their anti-scientific notions.

No one's life is affected negatively by honoring a transwoman as a woman, as the historical record of many trans accepting societies have shown.

Good people will see the very challenging dilemma that transwomen are in, and their natural empathy, coupled with scientific insight, will make them want to support their fellow human beings in being who they know they are.

And so, I ask all of you:

Should we as a society treat trans-women as the women their brain and neurobiology tells us they are? And, if not, why on earth wouldn’t we?

P.P.S. The image in this post is of women who have XY chromosomes, but an androgen insensitivity syndrome which causes their bodies to develop as female.
Would anyone in their right mind insist we treat them as males, simply because of their chromosomal makeup?
The bigots might, but you know you're better than that, right?

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TeenToTwenties · 28/04/2026 09:26

As a comment, apart from the statement 'trans women are women' I don't think that the views of @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers are that much different from others on FWR.

Trans people don't deserve less kindness, respect and accommodation than the rest of us. Not liking 'Assigned at birth' and 'cis' is common with FWR.

Saying that biological women have a right to preserve certain women-only spaces, especially in sports, prisons, rape shelters is common with FWR.

Not sure why @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers has a different view on 'bathrooms' (ie toilets) and changing rooms compared with sports, prisons and rape shelters? It seems a strange place to draw the line.

DialSquare · 28/04/2026 09:27

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 09:19

Thank you.

Your support for us, if not for me personally, is admirable, sensible, rational, and welcome.

I repeat; you are a lone light of compassion amidst the self-congratulatory baying of the cult.

We can all see how much it grates on you that the majority posters on here refuse to bow at your alter. It must be especially galling that as most of us are the one thing you can never be (women) some of us are not particularly “kind” or “ladylike” about it.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 28/04/2026 09:29

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 08:48

I wouldn't have put it quite like that myself, but your sentiment and observation are absolutely spot on.
This particular area of the MN swamp has a reputation for a reason.

Well, duh!

The site where women are allowed to call the male people who fantasise they are "women" and campaign to destroy the rights, resources, opportunities and actual social and legal existence of actual women out on their bullshit has a bad reputation among....the male people who fantasise they are "women" and campaign to destroy the rights, resources, opportunities and actual social and legal existence of actual women. Oh noes, say it ain't so!!!

Sweetie. A word to the wise. Something to help you learn a teeny little bit about how the people whose existence you want to appropriate really live.

Men have always deligitimised the voices of the (usually older) women who have seen all their shit before, because we are the ones who can warn other women about them. We have the lived experience, often hard won, to see through the self-serving fantasies they peddle and we have no compunction about calling these men out for what they are really angling to get, which is always, always, to be allowed to use women as things.

And that doesn't change just because they wear a dress or a "trust me I'm a feminist" T shirt.

Witch, bitch, FemiNazi, TERF. All just words that angry sexist men throw at women who defy them. We not only see you, we are so very very bored of your shit and we don't care who knows it.

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 09:30

TheHereticalOne · 28/04/2026 09:24

I'm with you in being heartily sick of this debate. It is UNBELIEVEABLY boring to go round and round the same points over and over again and I get quite cross fairly regularly at the total waste of intellectual power that has had to be expended over the past 10+ years to establish that water is wet, pope is Catholic, bears relieve themselves in the woods. It's like screaming into the void. Imagine what could have been achieved without this absurd, monumental distraction of nonsense.

It's unfortunately been necessary to have done it from a safeguarding point of view and to ensure the uplholding of basic reasoning as a governing principle of society, but my god it's tedious.

Case in point: I very nearly asked you to explain what you think the necessary and sufficient conditions are to be a 'woman' given that you think it can apply to some (all?) female people and some male people - i.e. what is the unifying principle that group has in common that those outside the group don't - but I just don't think I have the energy to engage today.

Totally agree with your first para. God, the far right must be loving this. We go round in circles on the trans debate while they roll back abortion rights, voting rights, contraception...

As for your last para - I don't have the energy to engage with this either. I've spent many many hours arguing with deluded and combative TRAs as well as aggressive TERFs, and I think I've got precisely nowhere with either of you.

" A plague on both your houses, " as Shakespeare would have said...

BaffledAndBemusedToo · 28/04/2026 09:32

WallaceinAnderland · 27/04/2026 17:51

If the human race didn't know what a woman was, none of us would exist.

This.
It’s all so bloody insulting, and it’s getting beyond boring.
Go and be a woman in somewhere where gender based violence is rife, like Afghanistan or Iran, where women have few or no rights, and then tell us you still want to be or think you are a woman. You are a joke.
Don’t fancy the lifestyle? Lucky you, that as a man, you get the choice.
Even if you did fancy a bit of brutal oppression, the deal breaker for you may be that they don’t allow fetish gear in public.
You have no clue what being a woman is.
Fuck off.

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 09:32

TeenToTwenties · 28/04/2026 09:26

As a comment, apart from the statement 'trans women are women' I don't think that the views of @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers are that much different from others on FWR.

Trans people don't deserve less kindness, respect and accommodation than the rest of us. Not liking 'Assigned at birth' and 'cis' is common with FWR.

Saying that biological women have a right to preserve certain women-only spaces, especially in sports, prisons, rape shelters is common with FWR.

Not sure why @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers has a different view on 'bathrooms' (ie toilets) and changing rooms compared with sports, prisons and rape shelters? It seems a strange place to draw the line.

Practicality.

I think it's reasonable and practical to establish women-only rape crisis centres and prisons. I also think it's fair to ask trans women to not participate in the female category in women's elite sports.

I don't think it's reasonable or practical to ask trans women to use male bathrooms or changing rooms in public spaces. In fact, I think it's dangerous to do so.

Frrrout · 28/04/2026 09:33

Is this transplaining, then?

OotontheRandan · 28/04/2026 09:33

I think the inherent problem I have with posts and posters like the OP (and forgive me for generalising here, but see that hasn't been a problem for OP) is that they attempt to set out a) why they must be women, their woman brain and woman feelings and woman clothes but also b) why biological women are hateful beasts who are angry and hate trans people and want them to be erased and hate men and hate dresses and demand to be defined by their ovaries which means they hate woman who don't have or no longer have ovaries and are hateful evil hateful witches.

Which makes me wonder... why do you want to be a woman, when women are so hateful?

If TRAs must define themselves by insulting and degrading the very sex that they wish to be, I don't think that will make a TRA very welcome.

GentleSheep · 28/04/2026 09:33

I'm going to stick with the 'Holy book' as you put it. What is an 'inner gender identity'? How you 'feel'? Sorry, no, that doesn't wash. It's a delusion.

StuntNun · 28/04/2026 09:33

I came on to the thread to post a biscuit but then OP posted one of my favourites… “Some women have disorders of sexual development which is why I, a male without a DSD, must be allowed to watch women undress.”

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 09:34

Riverpaddling · 28/04/2026 09:21

I also believe that biological women have a right to preserve certain women-only spaces, especially in sports, prisons, rape shelters. Not bathrooms or changing rooms.

I don't care what you believe. I, as a female, have a legal right to single sex spaces, including toilets and changing rooms. All women and girls deserve that.

You need to educate yourself by reading the Target study before blthely saying that men should be allowed in female toilets and changing rooms.

I don't care what you believe either. So there's that.

DialSquare · 28/04/2026 09:34

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 09:30

Totally agree with your first para. God, the far right must be loving this. We go round in circles on the trans debate while they roll back abortion rights, voting rights, contraception...

As for your last para - I don't have the energy to engage with this either. I've spent many many hours arguing with deluded and combative TRAs as well as aggressive TERFs, and I think I've got precisely nowhere with either of you.

" A plague on both your houses, " as Shakespeare would have said...

Sitting on the fence ends up with the erosion of women’s rights. So you either want them or not. Personally, I’d rather fight back and know I did all I could to prevent it rather than sitting there hand wringing in the middle.

Secretsquirrelshh · 28/04/2026 09:34

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 09:30

Totally agree with your first para. God, the far right must be loving this. We go round in circles on the trans debate while they roll back abortion rights, voting rights, contraception...

As for your last para - I don't have the energy to engage with this either. I've spent many many hours arguing with deluded and combative TRAs as well as aggressive TERFs, and I think I've got precisely nowhere with either of you.

" A plague on both your houses, " as Shakespeare would have said...

Nah - Shakespeare loved all the cross-dressing. Male/female twins being mistaken for each other and all the time the nudge-nudge-wink-wink of everyone on stage being male anyway.

Nobody watching a play performed in Shakespeare's time either believed the 20 year-old man playing Juliet was literally a girl. Fiction then, fiction now.

SilenceInside · 28/04/2026 09:35

@IggyPopsPlasticTrousers "they roll back abortion rights, voting rights, contraception..." not in the UK "they" haven't. We seem to be able to manage juggling women's rights whilst debating the demands of trans ideology at the same time. In the US perhaps, but the rise of the far right there is very much more complex than people being distracted by unnecessary debates.

TheHereticalOne · 28/04/2026 09:35

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 09:30

Totally agree with your first para. God, the far right must be loving this. We go round in circles on the trans debate while they roll back abortion rights, voting rights, contraception...

As for your last para - I don't have the energy to engage with this either. I've spent many many hours arguing with deluded and combative TRAs as well as aggressive TERFs, and I think I've got precisely nowhere with either of you.

" A plague on both your houses, " as Shakespeare would have said...

I mean, from my point of view your seeking to remove single sex toilets and changing rooms from women and girls belongs squarely on the list of rolled back rights in your first paragraph but crack on, I suppose.

Far right and far left have always been a horse-shoe, not a line.

Riverpaddling · 28/04/2026 09:37

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 09:34

I don't care what you believe either. So there's that.

I deal in facts, not beliefs.

fashionqueen0123 · 28/04/2026 09:37

DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 27/04/2026 17:50

Only a man would have to type out such a long essay about why he's really a "woman".
🙄

Fuck all the way off.

Hahaha this!

FlirtsWithRhinos · 28/04/2026 09:37

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 09:30

Totally agree with your first para. God, the far right must be loving this. We go round in circles on the trans debate while they roll back abortion rights, voting rights, contraception...

As for your last para - I don't have the energy to engage with this either. I've spent many many hours arguing with deluded and combative TRAs as well as aggressive TERFs, and I think I've got precisely nowhere with either of you.

" A plague on both your houses, " as Shakespeare would have said...

If the Left wanted to defuse this all they need to do is allow female people to continue to have a social and legal existence without having to include male people who have a certain state of mind. That's literally all. They are standing on their own hands then complaining that others' hands are free.

There is no middle ground here because women are either the sex class only, or they are a state of mind. As soon as you legitimately accept even one man as "a woman" because of how he thinks, you have just imposed on every single woman an assumption of mental womanhood which is belittling, degrading and false.

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 09:39

Riverpaddling · 28/04/2026 09:37

I deal in facts, not beliefs.

There's a trans ideology, and a TERF ideology.

I want no part in either.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 28/04/2026 09:39

Leavesandthings · 28/04/2026 09:18

I would really like to see the studies proving trans "women's" brains are identical to women's brains.

Please provide your sources.

The studies show that transwomen’s brains are closer to those of other men than women. Once sexuality is controlled for the studies show their brains are identical to other men. The OP is completely wrong in this point.

TeenToTwenties · 28/04/2026 09:40

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 09:32

Practicality.

I think it's reasonable and practical to establish women-only rape crisis centres and prisons. I also think it's fair to ask trans women to not participate in the female category in women's elite sports.

I don't think it's reasonable or practical to ask trans women to use male bathrooms or changing rooms in public spaces. In fact, I think it's dangerous to do so.

Wouldn't it be better then for Trans people to campaign for third spaces?
Or for transwomen to campaign to be accepted and safe in male designated sex spaces?

Why should Oliver who at 45 has had a sudden revelation that he is actually a woman and now wishes to be called Olivia suddenly be allowed into women's changing areas?

If a fox is picked on by other foxes, it doesn't mean he should be allowed in the hen house for his safety.

And if you let some male bodied people into women's areas, how are women meant to know who should be there or not?

5128gap · 28/04/2026 09:41

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 09:19

Thank you.

Your support for us, if not for me personally, is admirable, sensible, rational, and welcome.

I repeat; you are a lone light of compassion amidst the self-congratulatory baying of the cult.

I think you may be cherry picking. You have seen the sentence "I believe TWAW" yet ignored the later contradictory statement that TW should not be permitted to be in women's refuges prisons or sports.
Why do you think PP might make these exceptions for TW if they truly believe them to be women? And does this not bother you, provided a person is prepared to say the words you want to hear, "TWAW" despite contradicting them later?
Because if I were you and believed myself to be as much of a woman as any other woman, I'd not want people to be imposing their own rules on when, where and how they'd be prepared to treat me as such. So basically, taking it upon themselves to bestow or withhold the rights of women to you, as and when they personally see fit.
I'm genuinely interested in why you consider this acceptable if you are sincerely of the belief you are a woman.

Leavesandthings · 28/04/2026 09:41

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 28/04/2026 09:39

The studies show that transwomen’s brains are closer to those of other men than women. Once sexuality is controlled for the studies show their brains are identical to other men. The OP is completely wrong in this point.

Edited

Oh I know!

I want the OP to source his claims.

Leavesandthings · 28/04/2026 09:42

Still waiting on the brain science OP....

Riverpaddling · 28/04/2026 09:42

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 09:39

There's a trans ideology, and a TERF ideology.

I want no part in either.

Or facts. Clearly.

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