Can't believe I'm writing this, but disappointed in JK today

[RobynMiller]

I know she is just one person but her tweets today are really undermining the whole GC argument.

Link: https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/2046948644373274709

'Nothing's changed. I was being honest about how I feel about an individual trans woman I know, who was a gay man pre-transition, and who I met for the first time post-transition. Objectively speaking, she has physical characteristics that make it fairly obvious she wasn't born female, but she's a gentle, funny person I've never referred to as anything other than 'she' and 'her'. I find it perfectly easy to reconcile my fond feelings towards her, and my experience of her as someone with very female-coded energy, with a belief that she hasn't literally changed sex (and incidentally, she doesn't believe she's literally changed sex, either).'

Basically, someone asked her about the trans identified male she mentioned in her 2020 essay and this was her response.

Does she not realise there can be NO EXCEPTIONS? Give an inch they'll take a mile and all that. It doesn't matter that he is gentle and funny or that he has very female-coded energy whatever the hell that means.

This does make it seem like when she calls TIMs out she is now doing it maliciously as she is perfectly happy to play pretend if she likes them enough.

Just so frustrating as it basically says that 'we could all play along with TRAs just fine and are choosing not to because we're such meanies 😡'

One third of Americans believe aliens have landed on Earth and live among us.
Prove them wrong.

TRA argument: a few/some/many trans identifying men look so much like women that nobody can ever tell. Therefore all men who call themselves women must be allowed in to women's toilets and rape crisis centres, even, and especially the 6'2" bricks with stubble and linebacker shoulders.

Everyone else: there's not a single man who passes all the time in front of everyone under all conditions, even if some men do with the right lighting, insta filters and make up, from certain angles. But it's completely irrelevant because every man pretending to be a woman is a lying toad and should stay out of services for women only. The more a man tries to feminize his appearance for the purpose of deceiving people as to his sex the less he his to be trusted. The more he makes himself look like a woman the more he should stay the hell away from where he's not welcome.

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Where is yours that you have identified every trans person you've come across in your life?

Yes you did. When I asked how one would life as the opposite sex, you said it was the pronouns you used. Your actual words were “ one lives using the pronouns of the sex you wish you were”. Are you disputing that?

Can you name any famous or well-known trans identifying men who you think might always pass as women?

Unlike most, they will have access to the best surgery, hormones etc, and so stand at the tip of the "passing" pyramid.

Who are the ones who pass?

Or is there a separate cohort of everyday trans-identifying men who are even more "passing" than the famous trans-identifying men we know of, passing so well that they are the "lizard people" who walk among us undetected?

I don't know why you're laughing. I'm serious. Where is your evidence? You can't say 'Well I know a TW who has never been clocked' because you have absolutely no idea whether any women have clocked him or not.
It's all just wishful thinking by the men who constantly ask themselves Do I pass? Do I pass? Do I pass?

I know a TiM who was an androgynous child and surgically 'transitioned' at 21 - over 35 years ago

It took me less than five seconds to clock that the indiviual was male when we first met.

But if no one can know if someone is trans, how do you know you know a TW?

Well quite

@Imdunfer should propose a famous trans identifying man who always "passes".

Then we can have a look at photographs, videos of that person and see if we agree there are no give-away features anywhere.

Even if pp could, photos and videos are so misleading compared to meeting someone. The combined senses, in person, give us so much info taken together. As someone pointed out upthread, women have been proven to be much better at this than men.

Oh no, you first. It’s only polite.

That is true, but even so I don't think there's a single famous trans-identifying man of whom there is no photo or video anywhere that doesn't give away their sex.

But let @Imdunfer propose one.

A pp scoffed at the height differential thing upthread. It's true you do get some very tall women, that's not an issue though. Take everything together, especially voice and gait which are very hard to falsify, and it's easy to distinguish between a tall woman and a man.

Women's gaits are different because our legs are literally a different shape to men's. We have a slight angle between the thigh and the calf that men don't have. Once I read about this I've tried looking out for it and it's very obvious.

If anyone has not seen this, it's worthwhile:

https://www.biomotionlab.ca/Demos/bmlwalker/

It's all so superficial as well; about whether you can fool the woman on the counter at Boots in the 10 seconds that you interact with her.
No woman is ever going to live, laugh and love with a trans-identifying male without realising that they are male.

Yes that's what iwe'd I wrote, not this garbage that you claimed I wrote.

"So without making any changes physically, just telling someone I’ll now a man, I get all the male attributes and everyone will see me as a man, not the obvious woman I am! Awesome! Whoop! I’m now a man! No more housework, wife work, childcare worries or any nonsense like that!"

@Imdunfer ’s argument is the classical “argument from personal belief”:

”I believe that there are some trans identifying men who pass indistinguishably from women therefore such people exist.”

It’s the same as “I believe in fairies therefore fairies exist.”

Nobody has disproved fairies, and nobody can disprove fairies. But faries don’t exist, and someone strong feelings that they should exist is not evidence that they exist.* *

Anyone else concerned about the one in five women with an android pelvis?

They're going to find out in childbirth, one way or another.

I'm still waiting for a single always-passing-as-a-woman trans identifying man to be proposed. Just one.

Or going through an airport scanner.

My claim is that according to you I can just say I’m a man and I’m a man. I asked you how someone lived as the opposite sex and that was your response.

To try to put this idiotic argument about the hidden-trans people to bed, let me propose the answer to my own questions about nominating an always-passing trans identifying man. Here's one you'd never know:

Taylor Swift. Yes, actually a trans identifying man. So well passing that nobody would ever know.

What, you say? I'm being daft? You're sure Taylor Swift is female? Well, of course you think that, that's just evidence of how well he passes. Your incredulity that Taylor is a bloke is proof that I'm right.

This is The Long View on faked fairies. The astonishing thing is that so many people (including Conan Doyle) believed in them simply because they wanted to. The faked pictures were made by two little girls as a prank.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002s4cv

The android pelvis is a red herring. I have one. It’s a female shape, just less common. No one would mistake me for a man based on my pelvis.