Stroud brewery

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Just mentioning this news story where two journalists had a private event cancelled at Stroud brewery.

And the judge at the first hearing clearly thought he was on the right side of legal history:

“82.I accept that the Claimant genuinely holds the view that sex is biological and
immutable. For her it is more that an opinion or viewpoint based on the present
state of information available. Even though she has come to this belief recently
she is fixed in it, and appears to be becoming more so. She is not prepared to
consider the possibility that her belief may not be correct. I accept that the
belief Claimant goes to substantial aspects of human life and behaviour….

83. I next considered whether the Claimant’s core belief that sex is immutable lacks a level of cogency and cohesion. It is avowedly not religious or metaphysical, but is said to be scientific. Her belief is that a man is a person who, if everything is working, can produce sperm and a woman a person who, if everything is working, can produce eggs. This does not sit easily with her view that even if everything is not, in her words, “working”, and may never have done so, the person can still only be male or female…

84.However, I consider that the Claimant's view, in its absolutist nature, is
incompatible with human dignity and fundamental rights of others. She goes so
far as to deny the right of a person with a Gender Recognition Certificate to be
the sex to which they have transitioned”

Skimming through things this morning - Stroud Brewery? Stroud Brewery?? what on earth can that have to do with feminism:sex and gender discussions?

Another bit of a skim - oh there must have been a booking by a GC women's group that some trans employees took exception to - disgraceful!

Proper read - it was a discussion about pornography?? and that was going to make the Brewery an 'unsafe space'? For whom, FFS?
All because of what Jo B. says elsewhere about other topics.
I'm looking forward to seeing how they explain that!

Absolutely unbelievable isn't it.

Very disturbing that judges think this. The trans capture is widespread.

Wow just read the comments on their Facebook page! Over 700 before they switched the comments off. They are so fucked!

Looking forward to the court case. Or (more likely) a grovelling apology and reinstatement of the event.

But think they’ve had it locally. Who’s going to want to go there now?

Just had a look on their Facebook page and it seems that quite a few people think it's been cancelled because it's discussing pornography, which it looks for some reason like the Brewery must be supportive of.
This is not really landing the way they expected I don't think.

The "inclusivity" argument annoys me so much, they would be more honest just saying they want to exclude some views and be done with it.

I think the journalists could fill a bigger venue now - I'm not that far from Stroud but didn't know about it - I'd quite like to go to it now!

I expect they thought the focus (the book, authors, discussion) would be on porn and sex work they thought were being ‘edgy’ in not shutting this down with ‘sex work is work. When they realised that sex and gender was part of it, they feared they’d be supporting genocide and didn’t give a thought to this perhaps being illegal 🙄.

It’s not that surprising that they are not backing down, the local Green Party councillor has posted about their stance being perfectly legal and morally right. She has campaign videos for the upcoming elections filmed in front of the Stroud Brewery signs.

Oh dear. I’m not too far from Stroud, the brewery has made a very bad mistake for their business.

Then she's talking through her arse because it is neither legal nor moral.

Updated list of things you can't organise in a brewery:

1. a piss-up
2. free speech

Yes, TRIH.

I grew up about 15 miles from Stroud and when a family member mentioned it as a place one might aspire to live in my mother did a bit of a Lady Bracknell style "Stroooouuuuud?" much to family members dismay, Mother having not caught up with the Totnes of the Cotswolds aspect etc.
It did have a piano factory tho.

Why on earth would a few people feel 'unsafe'? What's 'unsafe' about a woman taliking about her book? Who are these oh- so- delicate individuals (hang on, I think I might have an inkling)
Porn>>>? Feminist opinion>>author who has "form" for speaking about "other things"
Hmmm
Why are they being pandered to?
So many questions... 🤔
I don't think the author will let this one lie.

Thanks @IcakethereforeIam for the earworm of Eton Rifles cos I love it

Yes, she used to be friends with Jo, apparently. Made a dreadful comparison with banning a Holocaust denier.

🤣🤣🤣

I actually find it ( the valleys), physically, much more characterful and interesting than other areas of the Cotswolds. But as you suggest, there is a real snobbishness towards Stroud itself, most likely because it is a working class mill town.It is the Hebden Bridge of the south west; both wilth canal; mills; hills; steep valleys; lots of artists and writers; lots of old hippies; ''alternative' culture; and now lots of insufferable omnicause people.

It all makes me wonder how many more entirely reasonable, fact- and science- respecting people would engage with the debate if they weren't in such fear of being outed and sacked for being 'not kind' when their employer stops converting all the toilets to 'everybody welcome' for long enough to go through their socials.

Thank you. It’s most entertaining. What is peculiar is that the speakers were to be a gay male and a bisexual female. Assuming that we still have a grasp on what male and female might be

If they had said that a discussion in the middle of the afternoon about pornography was not appropriate because children might be around, and not accepted the booking to begin with, no-one would have thought any more.

As for making equivalence with Holocaust denial, this kind of defamation supports my opinion that certain defined forms of slander and libel should be a criminal not civil offence.

I almost feel sorry for Stroud brewery. Almost.

Actually I don’t at all. It’s hilarious. They are absolute idiots and I suspect will be having very uncomfortable conversations with their external counsel next week.

I live just outside Stroud. The Palestinian flag hung Third Reich-style (look it up) at the entrance to the town centre tells you what you need to know about the dynamic unfortunately. Disappointing as now I have to boycott Stroud Brewery.

Here's the explicit statement that it was Jo's and Rob's gender critical views that led to the cancellation of the event.

Tracked down the holocaust denier comment.

@midwalker completely right it is a disgrace and that Dale Vince acts all edgy as a member of Calcot whining on about millionaires paying more tax twat

@Shortshriftandlethal full bloody on
it’s a proper virtue signalling hideous place

FAFO isn't it? 😂😂

Pleased to see so much robust feedback on their facebook account - so much that they've had to silence the comments