Is there ANY concern among Trans Rights Activists for the health wellbeing of adolescents receiving gender affirming drugs that the findings of the Finnish study might be true

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You would expect Trans Rights Activists to be concerned about the physical mental health of gender questioning children, yet I haven't seen a single TRA express the slightest concern that gender affirming care might be causing harm to young kids, who they see as transgender. Not here, not on r/transgenderuk, not on x.
They are attacking the credibility of the study, but given its size and the very shocking findings, why aren't at least some of them expressing a little concern that there might be something in it? I mean, these are vulnerable kids, and they're taking really powerful drugs with major long-term consequences, and now it looks like there's evidence that it may be doing the opposite of what it's supposed to...
How could you not be concerned, whatever your agenda? They're kids!
Aren't trans rights activists interested in the right of trans kids to be safe and healthy?
Am I missing something?

Ummm no mate. Seriously no. I reject being poor but reality tells me otherwise. Reality is just that, real. However much we wish things were not as they were, that is just the way the cookie crumbles. You were born male, I was born not a millionaire. Didn’t they explain this at the “clinic” you were at? Did they not deal with your disassociation from reality? That seems a serious concern to me.

Again, thank you for your service.

I’m not screaming it. Just pointing out the truth. I do feel sorry for you as you seem to have had a tough early life, but that does not mean you get to demand women see you as a woman.

Thank you for your service.

Female people will very often fake acceptance in situations that require it and where we are concerned in any way of aggression. It might make you uncomfortable to realise that you are the cause of that fear, but as a male person you have likely been correctly identified as being male and therefore there will be female people who will fake acceptance.

Even people who are regularly in contact with you might never mention that they don’t accept you as female but will go along with it because they feel they they have no alternative or they are fearful of showing they don’t accept that you are female.

Look at how you treat women here who tell you that you are not a woman. Yes, there will be female people who will never tell you that they don’t accept that you are female.

Whisper Network

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisper_network

No. Material reality has accepted that you will simply try to continue to ignore it and the you will try to defy it.

The material really will simply move on and your sex category will continue to be male.

The material reality is that you persist in trying to defy your sex classification but that you are and remain male and when you are supposedly treated as a woman, it is because you demand to be treated as a woman when you are not. And it is a demand because you just do it and don’t give any thought to the consequences for female people.

But the material reality is you are a male person never the less

There's a very large difference between our society and the culture of FWR.

There's also a reason why you all identify me as a man here and society does not. Because I outed myself as a person who transitioned and changed sex. (queue the outrage)

Until this forum, I've never had to think of a response, or an opportunity to use a response to accusations that I'm not a woman. My response to that is 'that is your belief' or 'not in reality, no.'

Female and male people in FWR will never accept that I am female. That's the sex realist beliefs, though.

This is your belief.

Biology is real whether you believe it or not.

Unless there’s been some revolutionary scientific breakthrough, you are and always will be male.

“Until this forum, I've never had to think of a response, or an opportunity to use a response to accusations that I'm not a woman”

Yes. I realise that you had never before thought about another person’s reaction until we started pointing out that female people need to have provisions that exclude you.

Thank you for admitting that you never once considered others and only yourself. You believe it is because no one thought you were not female. Yet, we are getting closer to the truth- that you never once thought that you should not be truthful about being male.

You can passively blame others by saying ‘I was treated as if I was a woman’ all you want. That is your defence on quite a few aspects.

That material reality is though, if you are not up front with the fact that you are a male person, you did not get consent when consent may have mattered to someone. That is something you will always have to live with knowing.

”Female and male people in FWR will never accept that I am female. That's the sex realist beliefs, though.”

Here is another material fact, it is not just on FWR. I think you understand full well but cannot acknowledge it that it is law, regulation and policy that you are a male person in the issue of female single sex provision. Plus that it is the majority view of the UK population and likely everywhere else, that you are a male person and that you should not be included in female single sex provision.

It is not ‘our belief’ which you can dismiss. You can crack on dismissing it, but it just is a sign of a person living in denial.

No. It is a materially real fact.

It obviously helps you to stay comfy in your subjective belief state but denial of material belief doesn’t change the material belief. Hence it is material.

absolutely. And on an anonymous forum, there’s no requirement for politeness or appeasement. In real life, through fear and politeness, people will go along with many things..

“In real life, through fear and politeness, people will go along with many things..”

Of course we do.

How many years do people go along with attending a group event when there are people there we would never choose to spend time with?

Of course it also happens in social groups. We have all done it. We have all met up with a friend who insists on bringing someone we really don’t want to spend time with but we do because it is our friend and we want to spend time with them.

People will go along with something and not show their discomfort for many reasons, fear of aggression or worse is just one aspect.

There's also a reason why you all identify me as a man here and society does not.

You are in denial. Your society that manipulates evidence, attacks the credibility of scientific evidence and has constructed its own ‘truth’ does so to avoid the discomfort of unpleasant facts.

It’s not my society.

Sex realists assign a great amount of weight to things that not everyone else thinks about or cares about, really.

Yes, there are surveys and polls, but you place me in front of 100 people and ask 'where is the toilet?' I will receive the same answer 100 times. It has been like this even before I transitioned. There's nothing like stopping in at a random fast food restaurant on a US Interstate and hearing a parent tell their child 'i don't know honey' as they ask several time why the girl is going into the boys'.

So how do you know everyone sees you as a woman? Do they come up to you abd say …”of course you’re a woman”? Do you have to ask them? Don’t you think they see you as a trans identified male and treat you accordingly?

I mean, I’m a woman and no one has ever had to confirm that they see me as a woman.

Thank you for your service.

They point you to the men’s?

Thank you for your service.

Can I just say how respectful you’ve been, even in the face of people piling up on you. I’ve been really interested to hear your thoughts and experiences, especially as you’re arguably more the demographic this study is aimed at. I think you’ve been asked some really inappropriate questions and really held your ground well.
i am sorry that people just wanted to attack you rather than accept and actually engage with your points about this study. I’ve found a lot of people here don’t want to actually engage with the material they share so it’s refreshing when someone comes on and does so respectfully. Thank you 🙏 to people outside of this reading this, your points about the actual study were really interesting an engaging. I clicked on this link to read people’s responses to a really important piece of scientific work and you were one of the only ones who engaged with it.

And again with the passive acceptance.

If you were truthful and honest, you would get a different result from some, if not the majority of people. Relying on that passive acceptance is not an honest way to live. It is a comfortable place for you, sure. But it is not getting full and freely given consent.

I understand that you think no one correctly identifies your sex, but having interacted with you, I suspect that I know why no one has told you before, including that it would be a pointless exercise.

Thing is, the law around single sex provision in the UK is clear. Will you follow the law or just ignore the law?

It is not respectful behaviour in any way for any male person to access a female single sex provision. A male person doing so, is not a person who respects others.

You can passively blame others by saying ‘I was treated as if I was a woman’ all you want. That is your defence on quite a few aspects.

indeed and to add - you aren't being treated as a woman because you aren't one, what is happening is that you are being treated as you think a woman would be treated but you've no reality to base that thought on