Is there ANY concern among Trans Rights Activists for the health wellbeing of adolescents receiving gender affirming drugs that the findings of the Finnish study might be true

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You would expect Trans Rights Activists to be concerned about the physical mental health of gender questioning children, yet I haven't seen a single TRA express the slightest concern that gender affirming care might be causing harm to young kids, who they see as transgender. Not here, not on r/transgenderuk, not on x.
They are attacking the credibility of the study, but given its size and the very shocking findings, why aren't at least some of them expressing a little concern that there might be something in it? I mean, these are vulnerable kids, and they're taking really powerful drugs with major long-term consequences, and now it looks like there's evidence that it may be doing the opposite of what it's supposed to...
How could you not be concerned, whatever your agenda? They're kids!
Aren't trans rights activists interested in the right of trans kids to be safe and healthy?
Am I missing something?

biology, science and facts say so.

Most transwomen apparently need prostate exams because they spent various amounts of time as male adults with adult male prostates prior to their transitions

What an odd thing to post.
After "transition" men still retain their prostate gland. It doesn't disappear.

You would believe that.

I've also had UTIs serious enough to seek help twice in my life. Both times I was quickly prescribed basic short course antibiotics under simple protocol because it was decided there was no complex risk. Men are treated much differently.

During my abdominal surgery, the prep was much different in men than women. I was over 50 but was not prescribed the Tamsulosin. (Yes, they were aware of my history.)

"Start taking Tamsulosin 0.4 mg tab po (by mouth) daily until 3 tablets are finished (For male patients ONLY, over the age of 50 who have NOT had prostate surgery) "

You don't get that choice. None of us do; though there are very rare cases of some DSDs where I have sympathy for someone choosing to identify with one or other sex. Accepting our physical reality is the healthiest way forward – and in the end we have to do so as we age. The physical reality of old age is that we cannot do things we used to be able to do; this is true both physically and sometimes socially. There's no way I'm going to be accepted in a young people's social setting in the way young people are; again, just as some of my social life is mixed sex, so some of it is mixed age, but I can't realistically expect to be accepted as a young person any more. If a young people's group were to include me, it would not be as one of them, but as an old person.

In other words, we cannot dictate how we are perceived and whether we are included in a category. Most of us learn at a young age that we can do a certain amount to fit in to a social group, but we cannot make that group include us – so we look around and find groups where we do fit. It's uncomfortable to be a misfit. There are many social groups where there is someone who is tolerated but clearly doesn't actually belong; and there are social groups where almost anyone belongs.

You would believe that

Eh?
It's a biological reality that transwomen retain their prostate gland. It's not debatable.

I agree. I didn't say it was debatable. I was suggesting you would believe all trans women to be identical.

we cannot dictate how we are perceived and whether we are included in a category.

It's uncomfortable to be a misfit.

Can confirm. However, I can no more identify out of being autistic than I can into being male. And I cannot prevent people from perceiving me as "shifty" because I avoid eye contact or "weird" because I mutter to myself in the supermarket and get overly excited about freight trains.

I can waste my life trying to be someone I'm not and trying to coerce others into pretending that I'm neurotypical, or I can accept that I'm autistic and not give a fuck about being seen as weird.

My feelings about this go so far beyond identity. I am not perceived as a man. You have difficulty in believing this and I doubt you will ever be convinced.

My experiences with men are anchored in sexual abuse, physical abuse, intimidation, stalking, constant boundary transgression and it's not worth bothering to start revisiting the other ways sex perception has limited my participation in life. I'm not going to use the word transactional, but before I had longer relationships with men, it felt very transactional.

My experiences with women are inclusive, welcoming, shared, celebrated and made me feel valued, supported and belonged. More importantly I am also able to contribute back.

I know where I fit and so do others.

Gay men and disabled men also often face harassment, discrimination, violence, and exclusion from other men. We don't expect women to sacrifice female spaces for these men.

Safeguarding vulnerable men is men's problem to fix, not women's.

If any of the women in your life don't know that you are male, then you have obtained that inclusion by deception. That shows deep contempt for women.

Yes. I agree. I was not a man with these men. Your characterisation is false and distorts the power imbalance that defined my experiences.

You are a man, you are male.

No matter what sexual violence you might face, you never had to take a pregnancy test afterwards. I did. Juat knowing that you can absolutely 100% not become pregnant gives you situational power that I lack.

I am not. No, I was not anticipating results from a pregnancy afterward. That would be a horrific experience for other women and I am sorry you had to go through that as well. Their intent was not to impregnate me, though I'm sure they never gave it a thought.

I appreciate your sympathy.

Men who rape don't usually do so to cause a pregnancy. Nonetheless, the woman fears that outcome. When I decide whether to go running at night, or have another drink at a gig, or accept a male friend's offer of a lift, "will I end up taking the morning after pill, taking a pregnancy test, or even having to have an abortion?" is one of the factors underpinning my decision. This makes me risk-averse in a way that no man, no matter how well he passes as a woman, ever has to be. This absolute certainty that you cannot get pregnant is part of the situational power that every male has over women. It is the universal male experience that differentiates all men from women.

Female infertility isn't a counter-argument here. Almost all women believe at some point in their lives that they are capable of having a baby, even if they turn out to be mistaken. The tiny proportion who have always known this have grown up knowing that they are incapable of a function that they should be capable of. And none of them were born with the capacity and power to make someone else pregnant. The universal female experience that differentiates all women from men is that we can never weaponise someone else's fear of pregnancy against them through rape. This is also part of the situational power that all men have over women.

I grant that, as an early transitioner, you are likely to be consistently percieved as the woman you want to be and you will face sexism on the basis of perception. The Equality Act rightly protects you in that respect. But that core lack of power that comes from fearing forced pregnancy and having from birth no ability to force a pregnancy on another, you do not and cannot experience.

All these things you are going on about don't stop you being a man and defined a woman.

They are also true of the experiences of many gay men.

Given that most women don’t tend to confront men, or reveal their true feelings around them for fear of violent retail action.. how do you tell the difference between acceptance as a woman from women and a fear that you will behave aggressively if confronted?

Men who rape don't usually do so to cause a pregnancy...

Yes. I was effectively a slab of meat. I am somewhat grateful I was drugged unconscious, because I still have the occasional nightmare where I'm awake. It was three years before I could go somewhere out again and I am uncomfortably hyperaware when out even after all these years.

Female infertility isn't a counter-argument here.

I get it, I really do.

I grant that, as an early transitioner...

I disagree. But I won't go into that yet again.

Who what? Who has a fear that I will behave aggressively if confronted? Serious question.

Sorry mate but that’s not your choice. You were born male, you're an adult so you are a man. Which is fine.

Women mate. Women.

I pretended to believe a man was a woman because he was a foot taller than me & I was physically scared.

Other woman might because of fears of ostracism or accusations of transphobia.

Just because you reject the category, material reality has categorised you as male and there you stay.

It really has nothing to do with belief.

You can subgroup yourself as a male person transsexual if you want. But you are not and never were or will be female.

I can understand your discomfort.

As this accusation was made against me, though. I have many decades of experience in groups and spaces. I am aware of when I or others are made uncomfortable. I am made aware of problematic people by whisper networks. I believe I am perceptive enough to identify discomfort in others. There is no indication of partial or conditional inclusion in groups or spaces. I have had photos and videos published in many places. I've never seen or heard any offhand comments. I also do a lot of public speaking. Again. Nothing. There is plenty of opportunity to gather anonymous feedback and the Internet loves a good anonymous feedback opportunity.

I'm smaller than most of the women I know, in height and weight. Using today at the gym as a random spontaneously coalesced group of women, I was in the older end of the age spectrum but average size.

I reject the prospect of being moved into men. Material reality has consistently grouped me into women regardless of any input from me.

Mate, no woman is gonna tell you to your face you’re making her uncomfortable. Specially in public. That would’ve be very #bekind would it? Say you don’t know anything about female social conditioning without saying you don’t know anything about female social conditioning.
You seem to have a very male view if the world. I mean, how does she know you’re not going to go off on her for “transphobia” and get her cancelled and berated? How do you know what people are saying when you’re not there? I assume your “whisper networks” are your flying monkeys.

Thank you for adopting the role of person screaming "man man man..." after my every post. I see you and value your contribution.