Is there ANY concern among Trans Rights Activists for the health wellbeing of adolescents receiving gender affirming drugs that the findings of the Finnish study might be true

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You would expect Trans Rights Activists to be concerned about the physical mental health of gender questioning children, yet I haven't seen a single TRA express the slightest concern that gender affirming care might be causing harm to young kids, who they see as transgender. Not here, not on r/transgenderuk, not on x.
They are attacking the credibility of the study, but given its size and the very shocking findings, why aren't at least some of them expressing a little concern that there might be something in it? I mean, these are vulnerable kids, and they're taking really powerful drugs with major long-term consequences, and now it looks like there's evidence that it may be doing the opposite of what it's supposed to...
How could you not be concerned, whatever your agenda? They're kids!
Aren't trans rights activists interested in the right of trans kids to be safe and healthy?
Am I missing something?

Nothing that sex critical people will ever acknowledge. Wider society has never had any difficulty.

No. Sam Kane if I remember correctly

So are you saying it is society belief then?

Sex development occurs into adulthood. Reducing the definition of sex in a way that restricts acknowledging this creates falsehoods and impossibilities.

No.

Well, it's impossible for people to change sex.

When intersectionality is ignored, words have a hard time conveying meaning where no context is shared.

Is it a formless miasma?

Love a bit of word salad.

Whut.

Can you not express it in words? Do you need special intersectional words?

Ha! We have a magic word, divorced from its actual meaning.

It's far too complicated for us

But the rest of society doesn't have a problem understanding it

Just the silly sex realists on MN

I didn't write this, but I see it lives on.

I wrote "I've never penetrated anyone, nor did I ever had the urge to do it" in a context where I could have better said "I've never experienced sex as man. I fooled around with boys, I dated gay men during transition. I dated men after transition."

What's the deal guys?
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5492207-whats-the-deal-guys?page=5&reply=150597923

It's called physical reality. You should try it.

That is the sex critical belief, yes.

There is no physical reality where you are a woman.

Try it?
I live it.
You...not so much.

Don't you have sex with your husband, then?
Not that it's any of my business, but you are saying that you've never experienced sex as a man.

But you are a man.

You're just going to have to imagine it as gay sex then.

NB I am a fully paid-up TERF and agree with pretty much everything you post on this topic.

However, I think here you're straying dangerously close to the "lived experience" argument whereby we believe that you cannot have any understanding or knowledge of, or expertise in, anything of which you don't have direct personal experience. By that reasoning we're saying the "cis" people cannot possibly understand anything about the nature of being trans (so how can we comment?); therapists who have never been sexually assaulted cannot counsel rape victims; gynaecologists must by definition be female.

I have a female DSD so do not produce, and never have produced, oestrogen. I can certainly tell you about the affects that it has had on my body since I've been taking it (and the affects of not having it during adolescence).

That is what it is.

And this is why FWS will ultimately be modified. Not because of physical reality, but because cultural enforcement of sex realist beliefs identify only black and white. Reality is messy.

No, it won't.

You haven't been following along, have you. I wasn't the first woman on the committee. What do you believe the statistically probable answer to your question to be?

I doubt if the people on this thread are interested in imagining you having sex.