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Not again! - Government is proposing to allow trans-identifying boys into under 18s girls’ school sport - unless it is deemed unsafe

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Another2Cats · 06/04/2026 10:29

Very much as the title. An account I follow on Twitter/X @ SEENinSport posted this tweet.

https://x.com/SportSEENuk/status/2041037786082329070?s=20

Apparently there is an open consultation from the Dept for Education

'Keeping children safe in education: 2026 proposed revisions'

One of these revisions is that schools may choose to allow boys to take part in girls sports. There are also other issues about 'social transitioning'

It says that there are "some" sports that "may" need to be played in single-sex groups from a certain age. Frankly though, I can't think of any school sports that shouldn't be single-sex activities.

Apart from these sort of 'maybe' sports, the new guidance says that schools will need to consider any boys requesting to play in girls sports in light of the advice on "considering requests for support with social transition"

This is from paras 96 and 97 of the draft proposed changes:

96 Some sports may need to be played in single-sex groups from a certain age to ensure children’s safety, and where this is the case there should be no exceptions. In other cases, schools or colleges may have adopted a policy of single-sex sports for reasons related to fairness.

97 Where there are no safety concerns and a child makes a request relating to
how they participate, schools and colleges will need to consider the request in light of the advice on “considering requests for support with social transition”. This means that the school or college would need to take into account all the relevant factors, including whether supporting social transition is overall in the best interests of the child, as well as considering the impact on other children and the aim of creating safe and fair environments for children to participate in PE.

Frankly, the whole thing about even considering "supporting social transition" is entirely wrong, I feel.

Link to the proposed revisions:

https://consult.education.gov.uk/independent-education-and-school-safeguarding-division/keeping-children-safe-in-education-2026-revisions/supporting_documents/keeping_children_safe_in_education_2026_draft_for_consultationpdf-1

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SEENinSport has suggested the following:

The survey has 41 questions but Q35 is the key one for sport

If you only have a couple of minutes, you can press return for each question till you reach Q35

They also have a link to suggested answers here:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/67fa41451fd5090aa3fb410b/t/69ceb2a41c966b1fc3a00b94/1775153828864/KCSIE+SEEN+in+Sport+response+Feb+2026+%286%29.pdf

and their website page on the issue is here:

https://www.seeninsport.org/consultation-on-kcsie-2026

The consultation is open until 22nd April and if you wish to contribute your thoughts on any of the questions then the government consultation form is here:

https://consult.education.gov.uk/independent-education-and-school-safeguarding-division/keeping-children-safe-in-education-2026-revisions/consultation/intro/

https://consult.education.gov.uk/independent-education-and-school-safeguarding-division/keeping-children-safe-in-education-2026-revisions/supporting_documents/keeping_children_safe_in_education_2026_draft_for_consultationpdf-1

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OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 06/04/2026 17:08

Not to mention locking the child into the narrative that they are a girl and not a boy.

AStonedRose · 06/04/2026 17:32

KnottyAuty · 06/04/2026 16:49

Im sure he’d look fabulous in “Bryson pink” leggings with his penis on show. Why would they ever mind?

This stereotyping and mocking of trans people is fucking offensive.

90%+ of the posts on this forum are basically civil, but every so often the nasty transphobic mask slips.

Every yoga class I've ever been to has been mixed. Never a problem.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 06/04/2026 17:37

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AStonedRose · 06/04/2026 17:39

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So easily rattled...

Shedmistress · 06/04/2026 17:44

AStonedRose · 06/04/2026 17:32

This stereotyping and mocking of trans people is fucking offensive.

90%+ of the posts on this forum are basically civil, but every so often the nasty transphobic mask slips.

Every yoga class I've ever been to has been mixed. Never a problem.

Are you saying pink leggings with penis showing is a 'stereotype' of 'trans people'? Or somehow 'mocking' them?

And this is about single sex sports and changing in schools, not an adult yoga class.

AStonedRose · 06/04/2026 17:45

Shedmistress · 06/04/2026 17:44

Are you saying pink leggings with penis showing is a 'stereotype' of 'trans people'? Or somehow 'mocking' them?

And this is about single sex sports and changing in schools, not an adult yoga class.

Comparing trans kids to Isla Bryson - which the poster is obviously doing - is hateful and repellent.

It's possible to debate the issues without stopping to mocking children.

Are you seriously defending that?

Shedmistress · 06/04/2026 17:51

AStonedRose · 06/04/2026 17:45

Comparing trans kids to Isla Bryson - which the poster is obviously doing - is hateful and repellent.

It's possible to debate the issues without stopping to mocking children.

Are you seriously defending that?

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Any male who invades female spaces is a potential threat and a risk to women and girls. It is predatory behaviour through and through.

I don't defend or support anything anyone else says, they have a right to say what they want.

HermioneWeasley · 06/04/2026 17:54

AStonedRose · 06/04/2026 17:45

Comparing trans kids to Isla Bryson - which the poster is obviously doing - is hateful and repellent.

It's possible to debate the issues without stopping to mocking children.

Are you seriously defending that?

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On average there is one rape a day in UK schools. God knows how many sexual assaults. Of course teenage boys are a threat to girls and there is no evidence that the subset of male who claim a female identity are less risk. In fact there’s quite a lot to say they have a higher rate of sexual offending the other males.

AStonedRose · 06/04/2026 17:55

Shedmistress · 06/04/2026 17:51

Any male who invades female spaces is a potential threat and a risk to women and girls. It is predatory behaviour through and through.

I don't defend or support anything anyone else says, they have a right to say what they want.

You have literally just defended a post comparing confused kids to a convicted adult rapist.

Again, it's possible to discuss the issues without resorting to this.

Sensible, reasonable people with nuanced views read these forums. It's quite useful when you show them where you're really coming from.

AStonedRose · 06/04/2026 17:57

HermioneWeasley · 06/04/2026 17:54

On average there is one rape a day in UK schools. God knows how many sexual assaults. Of course teenage boys are a threat to girls and there is no evidence that the subset of male who claim a female identity are less risk. In fact there’s quite a lot to say they have a higher rate of sexual offending the other males.

So, yes, you're defending mocking confused trans kids by comparing them to adult rapists.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 06/04/2026 18:05

You're missing the point, which is that there is no way to tell the harmless males from the ones who are not harmless.

The access provided to Bryson was provided on the grounds of him being an innocent TiM who should be treated as a woman. Even at the point his behaviour in women's groups and situations became highly inappropriate and he began to escalate. This is a fact. Every man who has harassed and assaulted women or girls in single sex spaces, has been able to do so because of people arguing that these males are always virtuous, harmless, that for women to have concerns is wrong.

The 'you're accusing poor innocent boys' bit is trying to shame women into silence and to disguise your wish to enforce boys in girls' spaces and to refuse girls single sex spaces. The reasons behind girls having been provided with single sex spaces are very obvious, well known, and haven't changed since they were first created.

Shedmistress · 06/04/2026 18:12

AStonedRose · 06/04/2026 17:55

You have literally just defended a post comparing confused kids to a convicted adult rapist.

Again, it's possible to discuss the issues without resorting to this.

Sensible, reasonable people with nuanced views read these forums. It's quite useful when you show them where you're really coming from.

No that is called 'reaching'.

Again, people are allowed to say what they want. If you think it breaks talk guidelines then report it.

Sensible people know that male should not be in female spaces. And where I am really coming from is pointing out that any male entering a female space is behaving in a predatory fashion. Why shouldn't people compare boys who enter female spaces to rapists, we have no idea what they plan to do?

I've not wavered in this in over a decade, it really is pretty simple to understand.

Marmaladelover · 06/04/2026 18:12

Of course we could just insist that it is not the business of schools to support "social transition

This ^
Don’t mind more sports as long as it’s judged fairly with separate changing facilities.

But why the social transition bit . Have they not read Cass?

Shedmistress · 06/04/2026 18:13

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 06/04/2026 18:05

You're missing the point, which is that there is no way to tell the harmless males from the ones who are not harmless.

The access provided to Bryson was provided on the grounds of him being an innocent TiM who should be treated as a woman. Even at the point his behaviour in women's groups and situations became highly inappropriate and he began to escalate. This is a fact. Every man who has harassed and assaulted women or girls in single sex spaces, has been able to do so because of people arguing that these males are always virtuous, harmless, that for women to have concerns is wrong.

The 'you're accusing poor innocent boys' bit is trying to shame women into silence and to disguise your wish to enforce boys in girls' spaces and to refuse girls single sex spaces. The reasons behind girls having been provided with single sex spaces are very obvious, well known, and haven't changed since they were first created.

Can we remember that whilst he was waiting for the process to complete, Double Rapist Isla Bryson was enrolled onto a beauty course where older teenage girls were spraying each other with tanning spray, wearing just a thong. They knew this and still put those girls at risk.

Kiminki · 06/04/2026 18:17

AStonedRose · 06/04/2026 17:55

You have literally just defended a post comparing confused kids to a convicted adult rapist.

Again, it's possible to discuss the issues without resorting to this.

Sensible, reasonable people with nuanced views read these forums. It's quite useful when you show them where you're really coming from.

You clearly have no concept of safeguarding.

AStonedRose · 06/04/2026 18:19

Sensible people know that male should not be in female spaces. And where I am really coming from is pointing out that any male entering a female space is behaving in a predatory fashion. Why shouldn't people compare boys who enter female spaces to rapists, we have no idea what they plan to do?

You can make the comparison, but most sensible people would dismiss it as hyperbole.

And I've not reported the post comparing a trans kid in a yoga class to Isla Bryson. Sensible, moderate people read these boards too, so (together with the rest of the board doubling down on it) it's a useful marker for them to see what some of you are really about.

Kiminki · 06/04/2026 18:22

Shedmistress · 06/04/2026 18:13

Can we remember that whilst he was waiting for the process to complete, Double Rapist Isla Bryson was enrolled onto a beauty course where older teenage girls were spraying each other with tanning spray, wearing just a thong. They knew this and still put those girls at risk.

And if a teenage girls complained Bryson would no doubt have said:

“Comparing me to a rapist - which the complaining teenage girl is obviously doing - is hateful and repellent. Are you mocking my outfit?”

Kiminki · 06/04/2026 18:23

AStonedRose · 06/04/2026 18:19

Sensible people know that male should not be in female spaces. And where I am really coming from is pointing out that any male entering a female space is behaving in a predatory fashion. Why shouldn't people compare boys who enter female spaces to rapists, we have no idea what they plan to do?

You can make the comparison, but most sensible people would dismiss it as hyperbole.

And I've not reported the post comparing a trans kid in a yoga class to Isla Bryson. Sensible, moderate people read these boards too, so (together with the rest of the board doubling down on it) it's a useful marker for them to see what some of you are really about.

Most sensible people would know that considering such things - that boys demanding access to female spaces might be potential sex offenders - is basic safeguarding.

Shedmistress · 06/04/2026 18:38

Kiminki · 06/04/2026 18:22

And if a teenage girls complained Bryson would no doubt have said:

“Comparing me to a rapist - which the complaining teenage girl is obviously doing - is hateful and repellent. Are you mocking my outfit?”

Quite.

MyAmpleSheep · 06/04/2026 19:20

AStonedRose · 06/04/2026 18:19

Sensible people know that male should not be in female spaces. And where I am really coming from is pointing out that any male entering a female space is behaving in a predatory fashion. Why shouldn't people compare boys who enter female spaces to rapists, we have no idea what they plan to do?

You can make the comparison, but most sensible people would dismiss it as hyperbole.

And I've not reported the post comparing a trans kid in a yoga class to Isla Bryson. Sensible, moderate people read these boards too, so (together with the rest of the board doubling down on it) it's a useful marker for them to see what some of you are really about.

You can make the comparison, but most sensible people would dismiss it as hyperbole.

The utility of mentioning Bryson and his leggings is to remind people of the absurdities that authority ties itself in when it fails to distinguish between men and women in an honest way.

The reason that it's incumbent for you to try to disuade anyone from mentioning that debacle is because 'most sensible people" understand that's where we're likely to end up when policies try to fudge basic safeguarding.

spannasaurus · 06/04/2026 19:25

Kiminki · 06/04/2026 18:22

And if a teenage girls complained Bryson would no doubt have said:

“Comparing me to a rapist - which the complaining teenage girl is obviously doing - is hateful and repellent. Are you mocking my outfit?”

Some of the young women on the beauty course did complain that they were uncomfortable with Bryson. They were told that was transphobic

WW3 · 06/04/2026 19:27

Kiminki · 06/04/2026 13:24

I said mixed sex lessons not sport. You can race girls against other girls within an otherwise mixed sex lesson.

The local leisure centre runs women only swim sessions for women who don’t want to swim alongside men.

It’s a real thing that some women/females don’t want to be in the pool or in swim gear alongside men.

MyAmpleSheep · 06/04/2026 19:27

spannasaurus · 06/04/2026 19:25

Some of the young women on the beauty course did complain that they were uncomfortable with Bryson. They were told that was transphobic

@AStonedRose would probably have been doing the telling that it was transphobic. Much as they are now outraged to have Bryson raised in this thread. He is inconvenient, to say the least.

Pingponghavoc · 06/04/2026 19:34

AStonedRose · 06/04/2026 17:32

This stereotyping and mocking of trans people is fucking offensive.

90%+ of the posts on this forum are basically civil, but every so often the nasty transphobic mask slips.

Every yoga class I've ever been to has been mixed. Never a problem.

I bet you've never been to a compulsory yoga lesson, though.