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ProfessorRedshoeblueshoe · 21/03/2026 13:11

Harriet Harman - the woman who advocated for PIE.
I also stopped listening to WH after she left. I'd love to know how much the listening figures dropped after she left.

ProfessorRedshoeblueshoe · 21/03/2026 13:13

I also think the family kept it quiet for a week so they didn't have to put up with TRA's gloating.

Westfacing · 21/03/2026 13:59

“India held firmly to her belief that she was a ‘real woman’, ignoring the fact that she had spent all of her life before her transition enjoying the privileged position in our society generally accorded to a man. In a discussion about the Dorchester hotel’s demands that its female staff should always wear makeup, have a manicure and wear stockings over shaved legs, she was perfectly happy to go along with such requirements. There wasn’t a hint of understanding that she was simply playing into the stereotype – a man’s idea of what a woman should be.”

I remember listening to that WH broadcast - Willy was saying how Jennie was wrong and she retorted with words to the effect 'I've been at this game longer than you!'

Probably about the last time I seriously tuned in to WH

Westfacing · 21/03/2026 14:02

I'm glad she at least lived to hear the Supreme Court ruling

BlueLegume · 21/03/2026 14:59

Can we just leave IW out of this? Giving him airtime when the memory of Jenni should be the most important thing. What he posted post her death was a hideous self congratulatory speech which dripped with no ability to read the room at all. The fact he said he thought it would be a light hearted/showbiz type interview tells you how little men understood how important WH was to us.

lcakethereforeIam · 21/03/2026 15:47

Suzanne Moore on Jenni Murray and what she thinks about Harriet Harman

https://archive.ph/50iTF

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/radio/what-to-listen-to/jenni-murray-bravery-trans-debate/

Lovely picture they've used.

When, in the fullness of time, HH shuffles of this mortal coil will people say that her advocacy for PIE doesn't detract from all the good she did*. Because it absolutely does.

*I'm sure there must be something.

It is a travesty not to celebrate Jenni Murray’s bravery in the trans debate

Some commentators, including Harriet Harman, have suggested the radio host’s views detracted from her feminism. But they were key to it

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/radio/what-to-listen-to/jenni-murray-bravery-trans-debate/

powershowerforanhour · 21/03/2026 15:53

RIP Jenni, the calm voice of reason.

FranticFrankie · 21/03/2026 18:30

To gloat after a woman dies is despicable, but then IW isn't one to hold back is he?
Horrible self centred person

EdithStourton · 21/03/2026 20:20

India and Jenni: polar opposites in the common sense and dignity stakes.

Datun · 21/03/2026 20:50

EdithStourton · 21/03/2026 20:20

India and Jenni: polar opposites in the common sense and dignity stakes.

I mean, it was almost comical. I've absolutely zero doubt that Jenni knew exactly what she was doing in the way she framed her questions.

Of course, no-one could've predicted such stupid answers, said with spectacularly misplaced and rather batey confidence, I seem to remember.

But she set a trap that she knew would be walked into. The same with the vicar guy. She must've known he knew fuck nothing about women's history of oppression.

Suzanne has it right. She was a mixture of warm friendliness and incisive grit.

A big loss.

maltravers · 21/03/2026 21:03

Jane Garvey seems to be suggesting in this article that Jenni was pushed out because she didn’t want to build a social media presence. Nothing to do with her GC position on trans issues then..?

maltravers · 21/03/2026 21:06

Suggesting it was pure ageism. Right.

SabrinaThwaite · 21/03/2026 22:13

DeeplyMovingExperience · 20/03/2026 19:52

Sad news and maddening that the BBC has of course swerved the reason why she left Women's Hour.

I was particularly struck by this gem from the BBC's news item -

"She worked on BBC Two's Newsnight and Radio 4's Today programme before taking over from Sue MacGregor on Woman's Hour, which is dedicated to "women's voices and women's lives".

Although of course nowadays like this week the voice might be that of a larping man.

Larping man got her sacked, and is still proud of it. Wanker.

PermanentTemporary · 21/03/2026 22:54

Thank you Jenni and RIP.

One of the reasons I knew I wasn’t going mad back then was because you said things straightforwardly.

Datun · 21/03/2026 23:04

Thanks for that Joyous. I'd never read it before. I wonder if Jenni ever posted here.

JoyousAsOtters · 21/03/2026 23:18

Datun · 21/03/2026 23:04

Thanks for that Joyous. I'd never read it before. I wonder if Jenni ever posted here.

I think she at least lurked and read some of the threads - and I hope she saw the ones where we were all outraged on her behalf.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/03/2026 00:18

So sad to hear this. RIP Jenni Flowers

Datun · 22/03/2026 12:25

lcakethereforeIam · 22/03/2026 10:59

This is a lovely article about her from a friend, Sally Feldman

https://archive.ph/7scsv

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/media/article/jenni-murray-womans-hour-death-ttmjt6mqn

It even goes...there 👀!

Wow, cake, thank you for that. An incredible piece of writing. What a friend - both of them actually.

I've just been wondering why Jenni's death particularly has me so fired up.

And I think it's because I was watching in real time how one of our major institutions demonstrated their utter distain for women. And she refused to shut up.

That article says she was told off for pointing out the sexism that Melvin Bragg's literary heroine suddenly recovered her equilibrium after some energetic sex.

And suggesting that marriage was a trap got her another bollocking, even though, as she said, “I was only quoting Mary Wollstonecraft".

So you can't suggest anything unpalatable about men, even when it's second fucking hand? On a feminist show?

How she managed to maintain her years of activism and speaking out about sexism and misogyny, without suggesting that men are entirely at the bottom of it, is a massive testament to her brilliance.

And I love that her friend, Sally, smuggled in vodka when she was in hospital. And 'hello darling, welcome to the club', when Sally was also diagnosed with breast cancer, had me in tears.

The woman should've been bloody running the BBC. Not been sidelined by it.

But as Sally points out, she's been proven right, in the end.

I'm delighted that she lived long enough to see the Supreme Court ruling.

As vindication goes, it's a biggie.

Datun · 22/03/2026 12:26

And just to add, what is it with men where they absolutely bloody love the idea that a good seeing to will sort women's issues out entirely?

I'll never forget the moment I realised that Scarlett O'Hara had been written as falling in love with her rapist. Just after he raped her.

GallantKumquat · 22/03/2026 12:36

lcakethereforeIam · 21/03/2026 15:47

Suzanne Moore on Jenni Murray and what she thinks about Harriet Harman

https://archive.ph/50iTF

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/radio/what-to-listen-to/jenni-murray-bravery-trans-debate/

Lovely picture they've used.

When, in the fullness of time, HH shuffles of this mortal coil will people say that her advocacy for PIE doesn't detract from all the good she did*. Because it absolutely does.

*I'm sure there must be something.

Moore is quite spot on - it's offensive to insist that Murry's career significance be separated from her views on the trans debate when Murry explicitly ended it over the issue. Even going so far as to give public testimony in the House of Lords..

For Harman to do so now after all that's come out about the BBC's internal regime of political correctness is shockingly disrespectful, and really an apology should be demanded. If the BBC is incapable of not maligning a former staff member in its on-air obituary notice it should politely recuse itself.

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