Women's Rights Network Imploding - thread 2

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Continuation Thread.

Original thread here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5485117-womens-rights-network-imploding

How very interesting 🤔

I was downplaying it a tad tbf. It’s worth mentioning that the fuck off and fuck you coordinator is still in the coordinators chat and heavily involved in the legal chat despite no longer officially being a coordinator.

When replies on their official X account were highlighting the problem, they closed the account down instead of addressing the problem.
2 requests for a meeting have been ignored.

Oh and the members who replied on X were threw out within the hour.

I think one was expelled for liking a comment. 😬

A woman was kicked out of the Women’s Rights Network for LIKING A TWEET?? Does Rosie Duffield know?

This ‘Director’ had form for being a big fish in a tiny pond. But when grown ups were needed her kamikaze approach came under scrutiny. She’d banished people as she saw fit but squealed when her time came.

I have also heard some folk were not focused on women’s rights and more focused on fueling their own negativity.

Not a member but it’s sad volunteer orgs attract a type who don’t do well when groups & activities mature.

Was that the only contact they’d had with WRN NI? Seems highly odd.

Theres been a lot of attention seeking behaviour but women’s rights aren’t well served by silencing other women or hassling an account to shut it down. You don’t like a group that’s sad but get on and do something on your own terms.

The Women O’ groups do brilliant work - assume these ladies will do the same?

That’s a good point. WRN has done good stuff with n parliament via Rosie. It would be a shame to jeopardise that because internal squabbling messes if up

also, WRN won’t last if they keep kicking their members out.

If you aren't a member where are you getting your information from? I hope the coordinators aren't telling non members WRN private business?
Going by the last few days there's definitely no grown ups left.

Oooh someone is a bit touchy about her being a director. Was that the reason the bullying ramped up? “Big fish in a small pond” also sounds like someone has a touch of the green eyed monster. You say you’re not a member yet the whole post sounds exactly like one of the “part time” coordinators. The deletion of the X account was a tad over the top. How many times did Chairman Mao threaten to leave to get her own way?

Will these two posts constitute “keeping the thread running for weeks”? Surprised at you even responding to this as I’m sure Chairman Mao will have you expelled. Tell her to fuck off and you’ll be fine though.

I don’t understand a lot of that but it’s clear we’ve got yet another situation of WRN chucking out whole groups of women with no explanation or process. I’m not a coordinator any more and I only stay in because my local group is brilliant but don’t members see a pattern here? You cross Heather, question Heather, ask for a conversation with Heather, even like a tweet that’s mildly critical of Heather and you’re expelled?

NI was a great group too until the blow ins arrived and subtly took control and made everyone think they are indispensable. The real work is still being done by one woman and she is magnificent. The person posting above has piggy backed onto WRN because she wants her name in lights and to make something of herself from this. Her post is very revealing. She’s given a lot away in it. She’ll find her own time will come soon enough but despite the lies she’s spouted above I hope she fights it and wins because that would be so sweet.

I was thinking we could keep track of the various "implosions" and new groups that arose as a result using the map on the WRN website.

However, the map is a bit confusing as it gives the impression that there are a multitude of WRN Groups across the UK. Maybe there is one place-marker per post code where WRN has a member or members?

How many WRN Groups are there really?

The WRN website says:
"WRN has around 60 geographical groups".

The WRN X account has a List called "WRN" but it only has twelve WRN X accounts in the list - plus "Essex Resisters". There are definitely more than twelve so the main WRN X account is not doing a great job of advertising WRN Groups:
https://x.com/i/lists/1493524385168306176/members

These groups are the result of WRN "implosions" - are there any others?

• Women of Wessex https://x.com/WomenOfWessex
• Women of Surrey https://x.com/WomenofSurrey
• Women in the Chilterns https://x.com/WomenChilterns
• Women o' Scotland https://x.com/WomenoScotland

I am assuming that there have been no "implosions" where groups were wiped off the map completely and ex-WRN members just gave up the ghost or dispersed by diverting their time and energy to other, pre-existing organisations, eg. Sex Matters, Let Women Speak, etc.

Info is from twitter, here and former members sharing whatsapps that are then shared into other groups to whip up drama.

Watching with interest to see how women’s rights are advanced 👀.

Not clear how any of it works.

From reading on here it could do with much clearer structure/ process to help women who want to make a difference in their area have an impact.

Do any other national groups do local and central like this?

I am sure ‘the dogs bollocks’ that you are top quality dog balls. The finest. Lovely bollocks. No need to feel threatened.

Any issues on status or conspiracies or trying to dox people are your own projections….

As with every time this happens I look forward to seeing how women’s rights are advanced. Many independent groups have flourished and done incredible work.

0h dear , can’t have nonmembers having “ private information “ 😂 Heather is an egotistical control freak who hijacked the original Shoppers groups started by another woman whose family circumstances changed and Heather made her move, and has continued to ride on the coat tails of other women’s work ever since

I think Heather doesn’t like the fact that many women do remember the real story regarding the Shoppers Groups and how they were created and mobilized, but I for one certainly won’t forget.

There is also the Women of Camden and NW London, who were expelled from the WRN in their entirety not long before the Women of Wessex. They are not part of our affiliated network of independent groups but we are in contact with them and regard them as allies.

Just to clarify the difference between affiliation and alliance:

All Women Of groups are wholly independent.

To become affiliated, they must agree to adopt the same two objectives (restore and protect women’s rights, restore safeguarding for children), to vet potential members to the same standard, and to adopt the same group rules. (The rules are not onerous. I don’t believe you need four pages to tell sensible women how to behave. It is haIf a page that boils down to “Behave like a grown-up ”).

Members of the other groups in the network must be consulted for their views on affiliation with the new group.

That’s all. It is as simple as that.

Each Women Of group is autonomous, free to decide its own initiatives, its own priorities, its own membership. The common vetting procedures and group rules are important though because any Women Of member is automatically welcomed by all other Women Of groups and we share info, expertise, and collaborate on matters of wider or national interest. There are several shared working groups, and some will be reporting soon on matters of interest to young women all over the country.

Local when it matters, national when it matters. That’s us.

The women that left or disagreed with what the coordinators were doing were told not to share screenshots or pass on information.
But by the sounds of it that is exactly what they are doing 🤷🏻‍♀️
I have been removed from the group for doing no more than replying to a tweet that they didn't like.

What does this even mean?

It’s a fair enough question though. The members who have left and been expelled from NI are women who had gathered before the shoppers or WRN were formed. We were a small rag tag group protesting in NI and watched the shoppers groups become WRN. We eventually joined WRN.

If the new band of coordinators are sharing information it’s a tad hypocritical of them to quote rules about behaviour and then share with outsiders. But then one of them told women fuck you and fuck off and is still there while the women who went through the proper channels with their complaints and were ignored got chucked out for commenting on a tweet.