Joanne cherry writes explosive tell all on the SNP

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So joanna cherry has written a new book which is a tell all on how the SNP under Stergeon and Swinney fell for gender ideology and its set to come out just before the election
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/election-nightmare-john-swinney-joanna-36838766

Sadly it won’t make any difference

I'll allow that implying that a KC, who's shown she's prepared to go to court to defend herself, covered up sexual assaults takes a certain amount of chutzpah. While still saying nothing about the woman and the party she led that championed men who were actually found guilty of rape.

Alex Salmond should have identified as a woman rather than fought, literally to his death, to clear his name.

Did you miss the fact that his name was “cleared” in court?

So, not guilty.

No. Not proven. This is what happens when women who champion dirty old men don’t have a clue about Scottish Law.

As you're proving mud sticks. But the ones throwing it are the ones with filthy hands.

Not proven, which has recently been abolished, is not the same as guilty.

We actually need a Scots lawyer on here to explain fully. I'm not one.

Until fairly recently, I mistakenly thought that 'not proven' meant 'probably guilty, but we don't have enough evidence'. Apparently, that's not the case in spite of what Wkipedia says, but I don't have the legal background that would allow me to give a full explanation.

Some legal commentators have said that the rule changes will actually make it more difficult to obtain a 'guilty' verdict, since a larger majority is now required.

Anyway, here's a very full account of the possible nuances. You really do need to read to the end for this one. (This was written before the change in law came into force.)

www.cambridge.org/core/journals/legal-theory/article/threeverdict-problem/151D1F08B6E29CC302BC084ECA2A0C12

I'm not going to comment on the Salmond case, but I do have up close and personal ken of dodgy men in politics, and women who have covered for them.

Jo Cherry has been a stalwart defender of women across many fronts for many years. I will be interested to read her book and see what she says. I do not prejudge.

I'm just going to say, if anyone wants to make this sort of thing a partisan issue, you'd better be sure that there are no dodgy men in the SNP, with influential party figures covering for them. I would not like to bet money on that.

I didn’t realise that - that’s pretty impressive. I like the way that the attempts of some to sneer and dismiss often result in more people learning more ‘cool stuff’ about a topic.

I would like to see the word ‘splendid’ more widely used. It is a splendid word.

When was it abolished?

Genuinely.

I was a young mum when the Amanda Duffy/Francis Auld case happened and I have to admit that I would have probably gone with “ not proven”, if I was a member of the jury.

But it’s known as “the bastard verdict” for a reason. It means you’re never innocent or guilty which must be really hard to live with for all sides of any crime.

Fairly recently, 1st January. I think I'm in agreement with you on this. It was unsatisfactory for both 'sides' imo. Guilty-ish or innocent-ish, depending.

That was my take on it too. “We don’t really know”.

I think, historically, there were two verdicts in Scotland. “Proven” or “Not Proven”. Then that changed with the union thing and it became “ guilty” or “not guilty” but we kept the not proven. I think the former two were probably better than the latter two. Having the three was a nightmare. @WearyAuldWumman Thanks for that link!

I remember seeing something on telly years ago recommending the 'not proven' be extended through the British Isles! For the life of me I cannot recall the reasoning. Some old, traditional things are worth preserving but they're mostly recipes. I'm glad 'not proven' has been consigned to history.

She should’ve called the book ‘Frankly Not’ as the alternative to Sturgeon’s fluff filled book.

'Did ye, Aye?' mght have been a good title.

I suggest that supporters look at what he actually admitted to. That s bad enough.

His defence in fact.

I’m more interested in this book than any written my Nicola Sturgeon.

Cherry's book is out today.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1837733473

Ordered my copy 😊

Look what the postwoman brought!