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Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) removed from IWD event by police

561 replies

ImTooMessyButImTooClean · 06/03/2026 18:02

https://x.com/theposieparker/status/2029940578528473283?s=46&t=p6GESSn09HWHVXYgTLIbJg

“My removal from the international women’s day event by the police.

I had been asking women’s organisations whether their services were for women only. This caused alarm and distress and the venue, claimed to be privately owned when it’s owned by the council, asked me to leave for asking questions.

I have footage of every interaction that I will upload later so you can see what those questions were and you can judge for yourself.”

Kellie-Jay Keen (@ThePosieParker) on X

My removal from the international women’s day event by the police. I had been asking women’s organisations whether their services were for women only. This caused alarm and distress and the venue, claimed to be privately owned when it’s owned by the...

https://x.com/theposieparker/status/2029940578528473283?s=46&t=p6GESSn09HWHVXYgTLIbJg

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Floisme · 07/03/2026 13:28

Here's what Cynthia Mee, who I believe helped set up the first women's refuge in Nottingham, had to say about this episode and about KJK:

'I was one of the women who opened the first women’s refuge in Nottingham and now at 82 I am absolutely disgusted with the women’s centre. How dare they let us women down by bowing down to men. I thank you Kellie-Jay from the bottom of my heart for what you are doing. '

https://x.com/ccajcynthia/status/2029996623770611742

You know what, I think I'm going to listen to Cynthia.

Thistleton · 07/03/2026 13:59

Shithotlawyer · 07/03/2026 11:37

God might not "hate" any believers or indeed non believers but if any humans do things he doesnt like, like wearing the clothes of the opposite sex or not praising and honouring him all the time, he will condemn them to punishment in the shape of not allowing them eternal life. "Hate" might not be the right word but you're dancing on the head of a pin here.

God, as described in the Christian religion and its various sects, is not a cool guy who likes everyone, he punishes and disapproves of lots of people and lots of behaviorus. Jesus might be more loving to some extent, but he's also ok with slave owning and various other things, and anyway he is part of God according to the doctrine of the Trinity, so they are both accountable.

I still can't see why a trans person would not be offended by the Christian religion which doesn't really accept them nor want them as a member. And at the same time get offended by other humans in a different group (gender critical women) saying something similar. And even more egregiously getting annoyed that a gender critical woman points out the harsh standards displayed by God as described in the Christian religious texts.

Oh please........ shit hot lawyer you may be, shit hot theologian you are not.

Shithotlawyer · 07/03/2026 15:13

It's such a shame to hear I am not well versed enough in the made-up academics of some made-up dogma.

At least law tells the truth about itself, that it is invented by humans for the ongoing debate of how we live with one another, and because it allows itself to be changed by intelligent processes over time, it broadly speaking is consistent and makes sense.

Easytoconfuse · 07/03/2026 15:57

Waheymum · 06/03/2026 21:28

I'd comment that my friend does not verbally abuse women, and that you can't judge an entire group of people based on the actions of some of them, otherwise we'd be terrified of everyone.

I think we'd understand this better if we knew more about the situation. Could you elaborate, please?

Easytoconfuse · 07/03/2026 16:00

GreenEyesIsBack · 06/03/2026 22:16

Nottingham is getting up there with Brighton and Bristol.

Come the elections, local and national, this needs to be raised loud and clear to the voters in all those places. I'd suggest 'Women! Vote for people who know what a woman is and remember that you have rights too!'

ChamonixMountainBum · 07/03/2026 16:00

Easytoconfuse · 07/03/2026 15:57

I think we'd understand this better if we knew more about the situation. Could you elaborate, please?

You just know it was a misgender, which is literally trans genocide

Easytoconfuse · 07/03/2026 16:04

Walkden · 07/03/2026 00:58

"She can be divisive but I admire her tenacity and she along with any other woman has every right to go to an event for women without facing harassment"

But it seems like she was allowed to attend, reportedly upset other women at the event so was then asked to leave by the organisers and refused to do so.

Don't the other women there have the right to attend and not to be "harassed" ( on camera ) by her?

That depends on what she said, doesn't it? I can claim that your post harassed me. I wouldn't be right, but I can still say it and if enough other people scream along I can get you deleted. Should I do that? Of course not, especially since the terrible thing she apparently did was to ask if it was for women only or women and some men. Bearing in mind the Supreme Court judgement that sex is biological not chosen and gender critical beliefs are protected, I'm at a loss to know what's harrassing about it. I can see it might upset some people, but that isn't the same thing at all.

climbintheback · 07/03/2026 16:05

No - especially the ones with AK47s

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 07/03/2026 17:03

BiologicalRobot · 07/03/2026 11:40

Oh dear... you are soooo far behind the times your post is now actually funny.

Pro women is not anti trans, nor being pro women a far right movement. Do keep up.

Oh dear... you are, and not for the first time judging by your posting history, rather missing the point.

I repeat my earlier statement, facts you find uncomfortable don't cease to be facts because you find them uncomfortable.

The clear, verifiable facts that many actual feminists and activists for women's rights have publicly severed all association with Parker due to - again, those pesky facts are creeping in here - her repeated, clear, factual racism and association with far-right ideology should really be suggesting that perhaps, just perhaps, you need to think critically and question your own motives before compounding your foolishness with your futile attempts to attack anyone who calls Parker out for exactly what she is.

My moral compass is fine; how's yours?

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 07/03/2026 17:06

GreenEyesIsBack · 06/03/2026 22:16

Nottingham is getting up there with Brighton and Bristol.

I'd be interested - very interested, as it happens - if you'd develop this point.

I suspect I know precisely the psychology at work here, but I'd like to see how you explain it for yourself.
What do you genuinely think you are saying here?

Shedmistress · 07/03/2026 17:07

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 07/03/2026 17:03

Oh dear... you are, and not for the first time judging by your posting history, rather missing the point.

I repeat my earlier statement, facts you find uncomfortable don't cease to be facts because you find them uncomfortable.

The clear, verifiable facts that many actual feminists and activists for women's rights have publicly severed all association with Parker due to - again, those pesky facts are creeping in here - her repeated, clear, factual racism and association with far-right ideology should really be suggesting that perhaps, just perhaps, you need to think critically and question your own motives before compounding your foolishness with your futile attempts to attack anyone who calls Parker out for exactly what she is.

My moral compass is fine; how's yours?

Can you point us in the direction of a proper genuine 'GC feminist' that went to an event on IWD and asked about single sex spaces?

Helleofabore · 07/03/2026 17:57

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 07/03/2026 17:03

Oh dear... you are, and not for the first time judging by your posting history, rather missing the point.

I repeat my earlier statement, facts you find uncomfortable don't cease to be facts because you find them uncomfortable.

The clear, verifiable facts that many actual feminists and activists for women's rights have publicly severed all association with Parker due to - again, those pesky facts are creeping in here - her repeated, clear, factual racism and association with far-right ideology should really be suggesting that perhaps, just perhaps, you need to think critically and question your own motives before compounding your foolishness with your futile attempts to attack anyone who calls Parker out for exactly what she is.

My moral compass is fine; how's yours?

It is interesting to see discussions about moral compasses when someone takes Wikipedia as being an accurate source of information for a political entity that someone is determined to misrepresent.

By all means, stick to facts. What is important is to not make the error of believing that someone shares a person’s views when they do interviews or share a platform. That is tribalism and not critical thought.

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 07/03/2026 18:13

Helleofabore · 07/03/2026 17:57

It is interesting to see discussions about moral compasses when someone takes Wikipedia as being an accurate source of information for a political entity that someone is determined to misrepresent.

By all means, stick to facts. What is important is to not make the error of believing that someone shares a person’s views when they do interviews or share a platform. That is tribalism and not critical thought.

I advise you to cease using Wikipedia on the assumption it is a source of verifiable fact; it isn't.

And don't trust a single source either; you should cross-reference your facts with at least one other source, preferably more.

Hope this helps.

Helleofabore · 07/03/2026 18:34

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 07/03/2026 18:13

I advise you to cease using Wikipedia on the assumption it is a source of verifiable fact; it isn't.

And don't trust a single source either; you should cross-reference your facts with at least one other source, preferably more.

Hope this helps.

Well I generally go back to original sources whenever possible. Which is also what the judge in the defamation case of Deeming and Pesutto did when considering the dossier that repeated the same things you have used in your post to discredit someone you don’t agree with.

Would you care to go through the interviews you mention and pull out the statements she makes that you don’t agree with?

And perhaps you would like to detail how KJK is connected in anyway to the neo nazi group who arrived at Melbourne Let them Speak event ?

JumpingPumpkin · 07/03/2026 19:26

I can see a person insisting that Kellie Jay Keen is racist. I don't agree with this, but just for a minute I will set aside that accusation and not challenge it.

As I understand it she didn't mention race at the event at all. Her entire focus was on checking that when other attendees and the organisers spoke about women that they actually meant women. That, and possibly her abrupt manners, is why she was asked to leave.

The implication appears to be that she should simply be excluded from all further events due to the racism accusation. No wonder her opponents are trying so hard to make that stick as then they can keep on including men in women's spaces without any opposition.

It's really bizarre that being anti-racist seems to mean also not knowing what a woman is.

EdithStourton · 07/03/2026 19:47

Walkden · 07/03/2026 10:11

"You can dislike KJK and still be outraged that she was ejected from a women's event by asking if organisations for women excluded men"

But she was ejected for upsetting other women at the event. She further said she has video records of all these discussions. Perhaps some of those women were unwilling to be filmed and she obviously filmed them anyway. Regardless multiple women must have complained.

Some of these women might have been employed of whatever organisation they were representing and not in charge of deciding policy but still subject to code of conduct etc.

Women who get upset by a woman asking if women's organisations are exclusively for natal women need to take a bloody good look at their feminism.

Shedmistress · 07/03/2026 20:09

JumpingPumpkin · 07/03/2026 19:26

I can see a person insisting that Kellie Jay Keen is racist. I don't agree with this, but just for a minute I will set aside that accusation and not challenge it.

As I understand it she didn't mention race at the event at all. Her entire focus was on checking that when other attendees and the organisers spoke about women that they actually meant women. That, and possibly her abrupt manners, is why she was asked to leave.

The implication appears to be that she should simply be excluded from all further events due to the racism accusation. No wonder her opponents are trying so hard to make that stick as then they can keep on including men in women's spaces without any opposition.

It's really bizarre that being anti-racist seems to mean also not knowing what a woman is.

She was called racist for saying that little girls should not have to wear garments that cover themselves up. Years ago. Thats what Hatchet got all het up about.

EdithStourton · 07/03/2026 20:12

Shithotlawyer · 07/03/2026 11:37

God might not "hate" any believers or indeed non believers but if any humans do things he doesnt like, like wearing the clothes of the opposite sex or not praising and honouring him all the time, he will condemn them to punishment in the shape of not allowing them eternal life. "Hate" might not be the right word but you're dancing on the head of a pin here.

God, as described in the Christian religion and its various sects, is not a cool guy who likes everyone, he punishes and disapproves of lots of people and lots of behaviorus. Jesus might be more loving to some extent, but he's also ok with slave owning and various other things, and anyway he is part of God according to the doctrine of the Trinity, so they are both accountable.

I still can't see why a trans person would not be offended by the Christian religion which doesn't really accept them nor want them as a member. And at the same time get offended by other humans in a different group (gender critical women) saying something similar. And even more egregiously getting annoyed that a gender critical woman points out the harsh standards displayed by God as described in the Christian religious texts.

Oh my word.

Forgiveness is at the core of Christian doctrine. We are all fallible, we all make mistakes, we all do wrong. As one of the Anglican confessions has it, we do this 'through accident, through weakness, through my own deliberate fault'. and the point of the confession is that God then forgives you, if your penitence is genuine.

Again, within Christianity, all are to be considered equal (Galatian 3:28 - to paraphrase, neither Jew nor Greek, neither slave nor free, neither male or female, all are one in Christ. Many of the early abolitionists (Wilberforce, Clarkson) were devout Christians who were motivated by beliefs like this.

Obviously, ingrained cultural attitudes about women found their way into the New Testament, and the Church in its various forms was subverted by or wielded political power over the centuries. It's full of people, who as noted above are fallible, so it will get things wrong.

To speak of 'the Christian religion' as one monolithic block is to overlook the multiplicity of sects and interpretations that exist. Plenty of Anglican parishes, for example, are very welcoming of gay congregants.

TheDaysAreGettingLongerAtLast · 07/03/2026 20:15

Walkden · 07/03/2026 00:58

"She can be divisive but I admire her tenacity and she along with any other woman has every right to go to an event for women without facing harassment"

But it seems like she was allowed to attend, reportedly upset other women at the event so was then asked to leave by the organisers and refused to do so.

Don't the other women there have the right to attend and not to be "harassed" ( on camera ) by her?

What exactly did she say that upset other women at the event?
If the toilets were single sex?

HildegardP · 07/03/2026 20:22

GreenEyesIsBack · 06/03/2026 22:16

Nottingham is getting up there with Brighton and Bristol.

Always was there, in fact it's something of a ground zero. Take a look at their adult Gender Clinic & the University, particularly NU's former professor, Michael O'Flaherty.

HildegardP · 07/03/2026 20:31

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 07/03/2026 08:56

For some people, aligning with any person, publication or organisation that isn't fully indoctrinated in the ideologies of the 'progessive left' is evidence of that they are far right leaning and fascist.

Can we just call them "Progressives" or even, "faux-progressives"? They may have cuckoo'd some Left orgs (& formerly lefitsh ones like the Greens) but genderwoo is completely incompatible with material analysis & no material analysis means not Left. You can't have something or other that is "woman" in a male body without recourse to straightforward Dualism.
Also, Foucault & Queer Theory are wholly incompatible with, indeed opposed to, Left politics - read Foucault's Discipline & Punish & compare with Marx if you doubt me.

VaddaABeetch · 07/03/2026 21:03

Shedmistress · 07/03/2026 09:09

You are lucky you had any fresh milk left she curdles all the milk in my house at the mere mention of her name. Oh bugger, done it again.

Goody Kellie doth curdle the milk while keeping a familiar on thon internet

TheDaysAreGettingLongerAtLast · 07/03/2026 21:10

Can anyone on here point me in the direction of evidence that Kellie Jay-Keen is racist? The term appears to be often applied to her but I can't find evidence of racism so for me it sounds like defamation.

JumpingPumpkin · 07/03/2026 21:51

As someone else said it came from her saying that she doesn't think any little girls should be forced to cover their hair. I'm not sure why some feminists think it's okay.

It's entirely irrelevant to the question of whether women-only spaces are actually mixed sex though.

JumpingPumpkin · 07/03/2026 21:56

HildegardP · 07/03/2026 20:22

Always was there, in fact it's something of a ground zero. Take a look at their adult Gender Clinic & the University, particularly NU's former professor, Michael O'Flaherty.

The women's centre started including men back in 1998. God knows what they were thinking because a few years before that they were pretty strict about only lesbians using the lesbian social area, and a woman I met who was exploring her sexual orientation as her marriage ended told me she had been warned not to mention the marriage, for reasons that I didn't understand.

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