Is it ok for my mum to join the WI?

[WallaceinAnderland]

This is from a thread on Reddit. The poster wants to know whether the WI is transphobic or whether it's ok to allow their mother to join.

All said without any idea of how chilling this is.

My mum went to her first meeting last night and I asked what made her join and she just said it just seemed interesting (I think she wants to get out more since she's recently retired.)

Then she asked me, "they're not anti-trans, are they?" implying that she has heard about the discourse but wasn't too sure about it. What I understand from it is that they aren't exactly anti-trans but felt pressured to do what they did?

Anyway, if it's a red flag for her to join it then I'd like to be able to educate her about it, because she is an ally at the end of the day and wouldn't want to do anything to hurt me/other trans people. But if it's not actually a big deal then I'd like her to feel free to do whatever she wants with her time, yknow?

We all go by what people say on the Internet. That person says they are FTM. Why wouldnt you believe that?

I worry for the mother's safety tbh

It's a 50/50 guess so there's a 50% chance we'd be wrong, whichever we picked.

This thread is about one person thinking they have the right to tell another person what they must think, say and do.

Much like you are doing on this thread.

What is the relevance exactly?

Derailing the thread?

I imagine so, yes.

Well that's why you would either do a tiny bit of work to see if these sex oriented comments are apt. Most would do it before they posted but definitely after the assumptive comments rolled in

That the majority of the thread is actually about generalising male behaviour than any issue related to anyone being trans.

No shit! 😂

You might almost think women are concerned with sex rather than gender, eh?

What do you think it is that women base their pattern recognition on? Personal experience of the 1 in 2 women who have experienced abuse or assault at the hands of men, or the data and statistics that show that 99% of sexual assaults and 80% of dv are perpetrated by males?

But the person you were all talking about and saying they fit this pattern so well isnt male. So maybe all this men are like this and women are like that is not only part of the problem, but has no basis in reality. People can be shitty. This person might be shitty. Their sex or their trans identity likely has nothing to do with them being a shitty person.

Just like the sex of members here or their lack of trans identity has little bearing on the quality of their character.

Hey ho.

'maybe all this men are like this and women are like that is not only part of the problem, but has no basis in reality.'

Apart from the data and stats, plus personal experience, of course. Which doesnt say 'all'. Only 99% of sexual assaults are committed by men.

But this isnt about a man and it isnt about SA. It's about someone who is female and their mother.

Okay? What's your point?

I've said my point several times.

Just like the sex of members here or their lack of trans identity has little bearing on the quality of their character.

Sure. We don’t decide who can and can’t join the WI or use women’s toilets based on character or whether they identify as trans. We do it based on biological sex.

And then seeing who doesn’t try to muscle in on our spaces regardless tells us quite a lot about their character. Trans Reddit is full of blokes encouraging each other to keep using women’s spaces.

Again, everyone in the post concerned is female. At no point was the trans identifying person wondering if they should join the WI for it to even be a debate about whether someone FTM should be allowed in.

Regardless, both OP of the post and the mother are female. So why are you still talking about males at all? They have no bearing here.

The reason this woman & other transpeople are cross with the WI is that it’s that she thinks it should allow men.

Likely because the OP would like access to spaces designed for men given they identify as FTM. They want people (including themselves) to be seen as their chosen gender rather than biological sex.

Either way, it is a female saying this. Females, trans identifying and otherwise, are some of the most active supporters for trans rights. Far fewer males (trans identifying and otherwise) are very active in anything official for any cause. Even those which directly benefit them.

You know what the vast, vast majority of these people are though? The one common denominator that transcends their sex, gender identity, trans status or anything else? That they are mostly white. Next, I'd bet they are mostly middle-classed+.

If this is any sort of group based entitlement, I think that would be the first feature that unites those most active and definitely most violent when it comes to this social issue.

Right. It doesnt make any sense, but well done.

Is this thread about a woman being bullied by her transidentifying offspring, or is it about HappyClapper100's views on the other people on the thread? If the former, it's what the OP was interested in debating and there is a conversation we could be having about that; if the latter, it's essentially rather dull.

"Leave 'im. 'E ain't wurf it." (Where does that come from? Corrie? EE? The Archers?)

To me, it makes no difference whether it's the mother's son or daughter. It was the tone of the post that jumped out at me.

Firstly, monitoring the mother's movements but mostly that the poster didn't even know whether the mother was doing anything 'wrong'.

Do I need to denounce my mother or not? Does she need to be re-educated.

All the while being completely oblivious as to how chilling this was.

No the thread was "men are so bad and controlling". It had nothing to do with trans people.

Where did the OP ask whether their mother should be denounced? Can you quote that part please?

Dull, and boring; boring and dull. Do go away and play with your Lego or something, and leave the adults in peace to discuss what interests them rather than having to attend to you.

(Gawd, my children were more socially aware by the time they were five.)