Baby born from dead donor womb transplant in UK first

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Commisseration and support for the family of the woman who died, and happy for the new mother.

But feel sort of uneasy about this.

https://news.sky.com/story/simply-a-miracle-baby-boy-born-from-dead-donor-womb-transplant-in-uk-first-13511093

So is medical care now restricted to only the worst of the worst?

That is not actual death though is it?
People can't always have what they want in life.

Some of them do know more, of course. Not all of them will, though, if that's not an area they come into contact with in their daily practice.

And it's good that you don't have blind faith. A lot of people do have blind faith in doctors, because they think they have to adhere to a Hippocratic Oath, or think that they're somehow morally or ethically more trustworthy than the average person, when really neither of those things is true.

Men have a larger liver, for a start, but their pelvic cavity is also differently shaped to the female pelvic cavity for the reason that the female pelvic cavity is designed to permit a pregnancy, and then to function as it should in childbirth.

That is why women have a different hip-waist ration to men, and part of the reason that female walk and gait is different to that of the male.

Thank you, I will tell her that later!

Minimising much? There are surgery's people have all the time to improve their life. This is one

But, again, is healthcare only to be limited to things that are absolutely critical?

I can see the argument for not providing it on the NHS, at this point in time. But to suggest it shouldn’t be allowed ever due to this is just odd.

We aren’t short of humans, I feel this is a hugely wasteful way of using precious resources.

Well, perhaps limit the amount of children some women have? Shall we forcefully sterilise them after one? Two? Who decides?

The UK has a birth rate crisis, actually.

What “previous resources” are being used?

I am not sure what "Fucking ridiculous" means in this context? What do you actually mean? You think it's immoral? Or dangerous? Or you personally wouldn't have one?

Lots of transplants are done when the recipients life is not in danger. Face transplants for example but there are many.

Just to say that the reason I do not want children is due to not wanting to be pregnant. Clearly I also wouldn’t do this process, but lots of women do not want to put their bodies through the process. Whilst the body is technically equipped for it, many women die due to issues from pregnancy (though yes, less so now modern medicine is a thing). Even less severe things like the changes to your hair, the potential damage to your teeth etc etc are incredibly off putting and arguably a reason why the body doesn’t want to be pregnant.

Im not saying I would also like to simply go and collect a child from the shop (I wouldn’t) but to imply that pregnancy is this easy breazy thing that women love isn’t right either. Most women I know who had babies viewed pregnancy as an uncomfortable and painful event.

What are they? A child is looked after by another person because the birth mother and /or their wider family can't. Not morally ambiguous surely.

and all of a sudden it’ll be very apparent that sex does actually matter!

Ah yes the it's infertiles that are responsible for over population argument 🙄. One or two wanted children are not the problem.

I think it's wonderful. There isn't a part of my body I need upon death and should any of if be used to help another human, then fantastic.

My mum needs a hip replacement. Should she get one or should she just accept that not everyone gets to go for a walk? She can probably still shuffle around and undoubtedly it won't kill her so maybe she should just accept her lot? What do you think?

While I have no objection to the idea, I am wondering what effect the drugs that the mother would take to stop rejection of the organ would have on a growing baby.

What is morally and ethically wrong with adoption? Would you rather vulnerable children with, drug addicted parents should remain in their care? Would you rather a child who's parents were killed and no other family, remained in care homes?

Whilst I find the framing here a bit offensive - it is not a disability - I understand the strong feelings of loss at not being fertile but if that is hampering your day to day functioning (like an actual disability), you may need some IRL support. Not meant snarkily BTW.

I don't know how I feel about time and resources spent on this. I know I don't really agree that a womb transplant is just like any other transplant for the simple reason that it involves creating another life via a risky procedure for nothing more than want. I may change my mind about that - anything to stop the awfulness of surrogacy would be a good thing.

On the one hand, a womb is an organ, just like the heart or lungs. If there was consent, then it's ethical.

On the other hand, given the abuse we see in the surrogacy world, I can see this being the start of something much worse. We already know about the imbalance of power, sexism, class and money and what it does to poor women. We've already seen doners die from carrying surrogates. What's to stop the Iranian regime from selling the wombs of executed political prisoners? Or girls in Afghanistan being handed over for donor surgery because their families are desperate and they have no other choice?

You can't take hips from live donors.

The main ethical issue here imo is that, as recent history shows, women are often trafficked, coerced, or pressured to donate their reproductive capacity to people who wish to have babies, whether that be eggs, surrogacy - or potentially in future with more live donation, a uterus.

Well obviously they're aren't any, that's why it's a viable option.

Not for thousands of kids in care in the UK. I'm sure they'd jump at the chance of a loving home.

Will she use the hip to create a completely new person?