Baby born from dead donor womb transplant in UK first

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Commisseration and support for the family of the woman who died, and happy for the new mother.

But feel sort of uneasy about this.

https://news.sky.com/story/simply-a-miracle-baby-boy-born-from-dead-donor-womb-transplant-in-uk-first-13511093

Its like something out a horror movie.
Children been born in labs.

Then what happens to them?
Fostered out?
There isn't enough foster homes for children who need them.

If you consider the outcome for children raised in care by the state you'd have them removed. I was reading this morning on BBC, schools in England are refusing places to children in care because of their additional needs.

Well thats really going to help break the cycle for these kids and their future children.

The state is shit awful parents and why do we need to worry about falling birth rates?

Young people can't get jobs, 1000s go on to Uni and still can't get jobs. Or they do end up pulling pints in a pub. And that's before you consider the effect of AI on the job market.

House prices are wild. The country has a shortage of housing.

The NHS has more patients than it can provide for.

Why exactly do we need more people?

The wording is ambiguous. He’s already mentioned the 5,000 women born with no womb, so who are these 15,000 women who’d potentially like to have a womb? Are they women who have had to have their wombs removed? If so why not say that.

Presumably women that were born with a womb but have had it removed for medical reasons make up the the 10k difference between the potential beneficiaries of this surgery and the number born without a womb.

This is why it's important to have opinions given from every side of the argument, it's an incredibly emotive subject for many women, as shown by your exclamation marks @Ihavelostthegame Empathy is one thing, costs and ethics are also worthy of consideration. It's not just the mother who is affected.

@Oganesson118ah shit. Didn’t spot that 😂 😂

"Can't we just accept that, sometimes, women are infertile and can't have a baby?"
I think this puts the emphasis in completely the wrong place. Yes, all women are sometimes infertile, but some women are always infertile. It is not merely an inconvenience and they need to be a bit more patient.
It can be the entire personal lifetime of each infertile woman.
I am with the majority here. Someone who was willing to donate their womb when they died has done a great kindness to someone whose womb was not able or available to carry their baby.
So much better than surrogacy.

I'm not sure the male body has space for a womb...

@OtterlyAstounding Why do you assume I’m blindly placing faith in doctors!? You don’t know me. You know nothing about me or my experiences, you have absolutely no clue if I’m someone who has never been involved in the medical profession or someone with extensive experiences.
For the record I will take my personal experiences as a foundation on doctors rather than the advice of an unknown voice on the internet.

Because you said:

"I’m very very sure that the doctors performing this know far more about organ donation than I do."

Im sure your quesiness would disappear if you ever need a kidney, heart etc.

I think it falls into the just because you can doesn't mean you should category. Not everyone is destined to be a parent. Along with having children from a dead partners sperm, its wrong on so many levels.

It will never happen for many reasons but predominantly because men dont have the correct vascular system to connect a womb to so there's no point bringing it up.

To those who say that the dead woman concented to her womb being used in this way, you do realise that you dont have the option to decline to have your womb harvested. I asked about this a couple of years ago when womb transplants became a thing that was possible in the uk. If you dont remove yourself completely from the donor register they can take your womb. So this woman 👩 may have been happy for her heart, lungs or kidney to be harvested but not her womb or not wanting to be an organ donor but hadn't known she needed to be removed from organ donation and they still used her womb.
If womb transplants become the norm then their must be a change in organ donation rules so that you can specify whether they can use your womb in this way or not.

I don't see a problem with it at all. She gets to grow her own baby, way more ethical than using a surrogate. Do the people here with an issue have a problem with other transplants too?!

Being pregnant can be a very life affirming and amazing experience....and an obviously very human female experience. So much so that many women do it more than once.....

I dunno, on one hand there's maintaining or improving current life but for procreation, opens up loads of ethical issues.

It is if you want children and your body is not functioning in the way it should.

Don't be daft, its not a disability, it may be an upset, a tragedy etc but its not a disability, you can live a normal unimpeded life.

This was following a transplant from a live donor in 2023.
UK’s first successful womb transplant – key questions answered https://share.google/bCVxgscXWbetgrRVV

The donated womb is also temporary and has to be removed after pregnancy.
I feel the same as about surrogacy, it's open to exploitation.

Nobody dies from not having a baby.
This makes me really uneasy and concerned for the future - women with no womb of ordinary childbearing age doing this is fine but I wonder how it could develop

Funny you should say this - my teenage DD asked the other day, what is in the space in a man’s body where a womb, fallopian tubes and ovaries are? Are male organs larger to fill
the space or is everything just floating about with more room around it?!

Adoption isn’t a neutral act either and raises many ethical and moral dilemmas of its own.

I'm sure infertile women feel they can't live a full life without a baby in it.

Do you people actually think about your arguments when you use mind-numbing phrases such as ‘nobody dies from….’. There are countless procedures that are performed, countless times every day, where ‘nobody would die’ if they were not performed. So, what’s your actual point?

@OtterlyAstounding yes I stand by that! Because they do..!? 😂 I certainly do not know enough about organ donation surgery to make an educated decision on it, but I do put my trust in the doctors. The point I was making is that it isn’t blind trust - it is trust I have given them through my personal experiences. Just as I trust my garage to look after my car, it isn’t blind, it is a recognition that they have the knowledge and experience that I don’t have and while I know there are bad mechanics I also know there are very good mechanics and I prefer to judge mechanics on the ones I have known. Same as Doctors, the ones I have worked with and alongside have generally been clever, talented and lovely people.

Lots of women want a impeded life - if that is what you mean by having children, and the depths of despair they can feel when they are unable to have a child can actual feel like a disability; a lack; a loss; a failure.