Sex discrimination and all the other unlawful discriminations to become lawful

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...if Reform wins the next general election.
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They were, I believe, repealed.

Here you go

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/schedule/27

@BackToLurk Thank you for that answer.

At the risk of sounding rude, I will repeat myself. They aren't repealing it and leaving a gap, they are replacing it. Part of that is literally repealing the old part and bringing in a new one, which happens at the same time. Don't get hung up on the language.

At the risk of sounding rude, they have said they will repeal it on day one and have given no details of how they will replace it.

They cannot pass new legislation on day one.

"Don't get hung up on the language."

It's not mine or anyone else's job to do their homework for them. If they talk rubbish, that is very much a them problem.

It’s outrageous, isn’t it? We’ve had supposedly “free thinking” people joining this board over the past few years insisting we give Reform a chance, and anyone who pointed out they’ve not even a lipservice history of supporting women’s rights got shouted down by the “newcomers.” Now they’re openly talking about throwing ALL our rights on a bonfire and we’re supposed to just be grateful they know what a woman is. Talk about demanding a low bar!

I'm sorry you don't seem to be able to get past the language used in parliament.

Also, you can absolutely repeal and replace day one.

Luckily, thats not at all what is being proposed.

How could you pass this kind of legislation in one day?

I am a great one for live and let live, i have friends with views virtually the opposite of mine and i would never say that they were ‘stupid’ we just have different opinions

not now though….i think there is only one likely to vote reform 🤔 but we already have to avoid political topics

good lord. By writing it prior to today 1, and having a majority?

Yes, I think its about time we moved beyond regurgitating "at least they know what a woman is".
Almost every man knows what a woman is. If they didn't they wouldn't know who to rape, sexually harass, exploit and overlook for promotion. They wouldn't know who they wanted to be in the home, raising their children and facilitating their careers. Knowing what a woman is is no recommendation for a man at all. Its the absolute basic requirement of every misogynist in the world.
The fact that some men pretend they don't know what a woman is in no way elevates those who don't to the status of defender of women's rights. By all means let's criticise the men who include men in their definition of women, but the flip side of that is not to get behind every other misogynist just because they don't.

Tell us more about this speedy legislative process.

I just did. It's called having it written, and agreed before the day, and a majority in which to pass it.

The repeal happens the same day as the new legislation comes in - there is never a gap where we don't have an equality act or equivalent piece of legislation. thats just, how it works?

The new legislation may not come into force on day one, but it can be passed with no debate or down time, and we're never without the protection of the existing legislation, or subsequently, it's replacement.

Why, if we have no confirmation from them of what they would be including in this new legislation, are you so insistent that women and others who actually need and care about their current protections shouldn't worry? When there's no concrete evidence to tell us we shouldn't ? Your posts are coming across as very "calm down dears"

That really doesn't answer the question.

Your words not mine.

I'm saying that this entire thread is hyperbolic as it's making some huge leaps and just playing to the polarisation of debate.

Fact - Reform are NOT proposing repealing the Equality Act and leaving females without the protection in that act.

What's in the replacement of the equality act? I don't know. But I am absolutely certain it will not be called the "Keep blacks and women down act 2027".

Again at the risk of burning all the good faith I have built up in the last 18 months - this is not my policy. I don't know who I will vote for but I have been a Green and Labour member before.

What I am picking on here is the absolute leaps of faith and outright fibs in some places. I would be correcting any one and any party, Green, Reform, whatever. Bad information is no way to have a discussion about important issues.

The new legislation may not come into force on day one, but it can be passed with no debate or down time, and we're never without the protection of the existing legislation, or subsequently, it's replacement.

You would like equality legislation to be passed with no debate?

You genuinely think this is a good idea?

And you are without existing legislation on day one if legislation is repealed on day one.

Do you think anyone associated with Reform has the interest or expertise to write this legislation?

It strikes me as all being very reminiscent of the Reform Councils that found that they couldn't actually make savings by cutting non-existent DEI staff.

It's you that is making leaps by crediting Reform with policies that they haven't written.

What's in the replacement of the equality act? I don't know. But I am absolutely certain it will not be called the "Keep blacks and women down act 2027".

Charitably, I accept that only some Reform politicians have wanted to do that, and they do seem to be trying to 'go legit' by drafting in some of the last Conservative goverment.

But writing Equality legislation is complicated. Reform have a vague idea that some of it is too 'woke', but they don't have any explanation of what they would change.

Fact - Reform are NOT proposing repealing the Equality Act and leaving females without the protection in that act.

How exactly do you know that though? You haven't seen any guidance or what their proposed replacement would be and what protection it would offer.

What's in the replacement of the equality act? I don't know. But I am absolutely certain it will not be called the "Keep blacks and women down act 2027".

Are you a straight white man by any chance? Because you admit you don't have any evidence what the actual would be but black people or women are being hyperbolic and overreacting 🤨

Again at the risk of burning all the good faith I have built up in the last 18 months

God knows what this means, do you think you have some kind of brownie points?

I don't think you are reading what I am typing above? It's not my policy, I am not advocating for it or reform, I am saying you are arguing under false information.

"You would like equality legislation to be passed with no debate?"

I am saying it is possible

"And you are without existing legislation on day one if legislation is repealed on day one."

No you aren't. I cannot explain it to you in simpler terms. Previous equality legislation WAS REPEALED. We just had a replacement come in AT THE SAME TIME

"Do you think anyone associated with Reform has the interest or expertise to write this legislation?"

I don't know - I'm neither in Reform nor in their strategic planning team. The point is, it is possible.

"It strikes me as all being very reminiscent of the Reform Councils that found that they couldn't actually make savings by cutting non-existent DEI staff."

Again you misrepresent - it's not just that there are DEI staff - and there is - its that DEI running through the core of a council costs money at all levels and in all ways, making them slower, poorer decisions, higher costs. And - the civil service is not a local council, in some ways they are ver very much worse.

We are not having a polarised argument. You are not on one side and I am on the other. I am pointing out facts, not opinions.

You asked who this might appeal to. I'm giving my opinion.
Much as some disadvantaged people seem prepared to accept policies that will reduce services they disproprtionately depend on such as the NHS and the welfare state to support a party they believe will rid them of immigrants; so there will be people so convinced that equalities legislation advantages people who are not white over white people, they would rather throw the baby out with the bathwater and trust that the 'meritocracy' they believe in will protect them from disadvantage.
Some women will be sheltered from the impact of sex discrimination against women at work. They may have succeeded despite it and so believe it doesn't exist. They may be less personally invested in the rights of women at work than in those of their own husband and believe protections for women disadvantage men.
There are always people who believe attempts to protect some people equate to an attack on others.

It seems to have been forgotten that much of the argument around single sex spaces was not that there is anything wrong with EA2010 (barring perhaps a lack of clarity), but rather that it was being applied incorrectly.

"How exactly do you know that though? You haven't seen any guidance or what their proposed replacement would be and what protection it would offer."

How do I know? Because it would be fucking mental that's why given how much support they have with females and that their primary beef with he equality act is DEI things and positive discrimination.

"Are you a straight white man by any chance? Because you admit you don't have any evidence what the actual would be but black people or women are being hyperbolic and overreacting 🤨"

Please tell me how having a vagina or more melanin would make the information I have passed on here more or less valid?

You're looking for a fight and trying to punch a referee, No one is getting rid of the equality act in order to chain women to the kitchen sink and sack all the brown people and it looks mad to discuss it like this.

They are free at any time to explain their plans for equality legislation and you should certainly vote for them if you wish.

I, on the other hand, think it's 'fucking mental' to vote for a party based on what I would like them to have said instead of what they have actually said.

Well firstly if you had a vagina you'd unlikely be called us all females in that weird way, instead of women (unless you mean female workers?) and you'd also probably not be so happy to shrug at the idea of legislation that prevents you from being fired while pregnant and offers you other sex discrimination protections being scrapped with no feasible alternative offered and wouldn't be misrepresenting people's genuine concerns because it impacts them as being hyperbolic. If you are a straight white man, i really don't care if you're not too bothered about it and happy to wait and see.

Also lol at the information you've passed on which is...basically nothing as you confirm you have no knowledge of what alternative legislation they would pass or when they would pass it and PP has already pointed out to you the idea of passing legislation on day 1 with no debate is also pretty fucking dangerous to those of us who rely on it.