Captain’s Bar, Edinburgh

[AccidentallyWesAnderson]

Probably need to wait for the image to be approved but someone has left a recent review, Carol Anne, four days ago complaining of men using the women’s toilet.

Does the ‘legally-binding Global Human Rights Policy and Code of Non-discrimination, which prohibit discrimination based on gender, sexual orientation, and other protected characteristics’ allow them to mark a single use women’s toilet as ‘women’, yet continue to let males use it? Lovely to note GC women (those that don’t live in fantasy land) aren’t welcome in their parting shot.

"Inclusive environment" but also "I suggest you don't come"

No I didn’t. I am sorry. There’s so many incidents I don’t collate. If you google local papers and search ‘toilet’ it will come up with closures (cost of maintenance due to misuse), deaths (drugs, suicide, medical emergencies like cardiac arrests and seizures) and sexual assaults, always by men, usually on younger women and children.
Its taught me that we should value our local press.

Thank you seen that now. The report makes it very clear that the design (mixed sex, private) was a factor. Disabled toilets have always had known problems. That’s why radar keys were introduced. People who actually need these toilets, because it’s their only provision they can physically use, have to put up with so much misuse, dirt and vandalism too.

If you go on trip advisor photos there so many pictures of the toilet doors at the end of the bar with clear signs on two separate doors saying Ladies on one and Gents on the other.

They do not look like single occupancy from the photos. Theres a push plate on the outside and no visible locking mechanism on the external doors.

@KnottyAuty start on photo 37 on trip advisor. That doesn’t look like a single occupancy and even if it is, it’s labelled ladies and the gents is the door to the right.

In my experience, the vast majority of the population don’t want men in dresses in their single sex spaces.

Take a look at phot 37 onwards on trip advisor. It does not look like single occupancy. Sorry for the repeat

seems like a straightforward case of men breaking the law by using the female toilets. If the bar is allowing this, then they are breaking the law too.

The law as it has always been, and it was recently clarified by the Supreme Court in the FWS judgement last year.

Trouble is, the people that come on mn to say nobody has complained to them about men in women's toilets, probably don't realise what the reason for that is.

The Building (Scotland) Act 2003 gives Scottish Ministers the power to make building
regulations to secure the health, safety, welfare and convenience of persons in or about buildings and of others who may be affected by buildings or matters connected with buildings.

This is the link to current regs:
https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/advice-and-guidance/2024/11/building-standards-technical-handbook-january-2025-non-domestic/documents/building-standards-technical-handbook-january-2025-non-domestic/building-standards-technical-handbook-january-2025-non-domestic/govscot%3Adocument/Building%2BStandards%2B-%2BCore%2BDocuments%2B-%2BNon-domestic%2BTechnical%2BHandbook%2B-%2BJanuary%2B2025%2B-%2BFor%2BPublication.pdf

p282 onwards discusses toilet matters. A sanitary convenience is normally regs speak for a wc toilet, whereas a sanitary facility normally includes sinks too. Though I have found this gets very muddled.

You will see separate columns for females and males and these vary depending on type of establishment.

Generally in most toilet documents it’s accepted you need twice as many conveniences for women as men to obtain equity.

And also that the toilets are the thin end of the wedge. People in favour of inclusive toilets always make out that people are being unreasonable caring about where people pee. But if businesses and organisations get away with ignoring the law on toilet provision, what’s to stop them ignoring it elsewhere? Changing rooms, hospital wards, women’s refuges.

The other issue I have with a lot of women who aren’t concerned about mixed facilities is the argument ‘it doesn’t bother me’, as if that means it shouldn’t bother any other woman. Nobody should speak on other women’s behalf. Some women are lucky, and have never found themselves at the mercy of a violent man. Many of those who have feel threatened by having biological males in spaces where women are vulnerable.

I don’t know a single person who would rather use a mixed sex toilet than a single sex one.

You’re wrong. Most people prefer single sex facilities. You can’t just handwave away polls just because you don’t like them.

Quite. They really don’t know what they don’t know and worse aren’t even curious to know. I just think “buffoon”

If the lavatory is labelled women/female only biological females can use it. If they want everything unisex then two unisex cubicles with sinks, no urinals.

Toilets are not just as you say, the thin end of a wedge, they seem to be something of an obsession with trans activists. Everything seems to come back to TOILETS. Women's toilets, specifically.

We say hospital wards, they say TOILETS!
We say rape crisis centres, they say TOILETS!
We say gender quotas, they say TOILETS!
We say Equality Act 2010, they say TOILETS!
We say safeguarding, they say TOILETS!
We say Supreme Court of the United Kingdom, they say TOILETS!

Sometimes I think the 'T' that was bolted on to 'LGB' actually stands for 'TOILETS!'
Obsessed🙄

ps I agree with your serious points PopstarPoppy.
It is a known strategy of abusers to push boundaries on the basis that 'if we can get them to accept this, we can do anything we want'

And equally you can't claim they represent everyone. They only represent those who filled them in, e.g. people with a specific interest.

I'm sure you do think that.

Imagine what the non-GC think of MN GC individuals.

😂

They can think! what for themselves? Like without having to be told you mean. Wow you'd never have guessed it. 😲

From people who think wild shit like you can change sex and that women don’t have the right to single sex spaces, what they think of me is the least of my problems 😂.

As I was told as a child, "only care about the opinion of people you care about"

There's a woman working on my floor who doesn't even come into the women's toilet when she sees that one of the two cubicles is already in use. She leaves and uses the accessible toilet. I wonder how she would feel if a man would be in there if she doesn't even like to use it with another woman present.

You do know how polls work right?

By that reasoning, surely those that don’t mind will fill in to say precisely that? You’ve cared enough to pop up on this thread to say so.