Reasons for not moving right like young men

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Are women put off the right because of outright boorishness and right wing female Mps who are promoted withing a very constrained patriarchy and consequently end up not making sense? Is it also to do with the ingressing on women's right by the ultra religious?
Are public services more important to women than men? Was specifically female leadership significant in New Zealand during the pandemic and ultimately safer and was that about gender?
Or something else?
Brexit?
Why is there a difference of direction?

Aah, you have made the classic mistake of assuming that the lanyard class in the NHS actually gave a flying fuck about the rights and needs of the female nurses.

No, they did not. Hence, the tribunals mentioned by Ophelia.

wasnt it a large cupboard that was offerred to the Nurses from Fife?

The changing room had toilets but it was discussed in the trial how that was unhygienic to change to go onto shift. The alternative was a cupboard, I think.

I only worked in 3 London hospitals in the early 2000s, one of which has undergone a huge refurbishment and none of those had anywhere private for staff to change. They had a room with lockers and an open area where you changed. There were a few occasions when I would have really appreciated a shower but, even though there was theoretically one in the refurbished unit, it broke very quickly and someone took to storing her bike in it.

You'd expect to keep your underwear on, probably a T shirt or vest top on under the scrubs top, so not naked in the changing room but I wouldn't want any man seeing me like that

I've read of staff on neonatal units being forbidden to change into scrubs in toilet cubicles because of infection control. So although it might not be written in your contract 'female staff are required to change their clothes in the presence of male staff, should that male person claim to be really female', it's not difficult to see the problems created by this total disregard for female staff. It's Hobson's choice really.

One of these cases involved the alternative (for those who didn't want to change in front of a male) of a small room that didn't meet fire safety regulations IIRC.

So, you had a bloke swanning around in the ladies' changing room, and any woman who objected was pushed out and treated like crap.

Yes, it's ironic Habib, probably one of the most hard-line to the point of seemingly advocating leaving migrants to drown (!) is half-Pakistani. You can certainly criticise these figures but making out it's a straightforward white against black and brown people conflict is a hugely unhelpful simplification.

I'm not a Tory but these statements are demonstrably untrue. If a woman or black or brown person can't top the Tories, how to you explain May, Leadsom, Braverman, Zahawi, Kwarteng, Sunak, Truss, Mordaunt etc?

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Good post. Overall though, I think privacy is pretty important to men too, even though mixed changing clearly doesn't pose the same risks to them.

Personally I think it's more that incompetent people are being promoted on the left, both men & women. Would you call Starmer a bold leader?

I like Shababa Mahmood. She doesn't seem wet to me. There are other female Labour MPs I like : Sarah Champion for one. Rosie Duffield too. The issue is that these are not the ones at the top.

There are some female Democrats who seem able - Marie Gluesenkamp Perez, Gretchen Whitmer, Elissa Slotkin, & others who make up the so-called 'Mod Squad'. The problem imo is ineffective people like Harris, AOC etc were the ones promoted. Just as Biden was hung on to even when he wasn't fit.

Kemi Badenoch doesn't seem particularly efficient to me, though I may be judging her too soon, she's not had the chance to be in power yet. It's all very well to be 'masculine' and make bold statements,,but there's got to be actual substance there.

I think it's a bit generalising to say Tory women across the board are stronger: would that include Liz Truss? Or Theresa May?

Maybe a belief that Reform are sexist? I don't like Reform and I will only vote them reluctantly if Labour doesn't sort open borders out, crime etc and Tories continue to show few signs of being able to do so (I'm Gen Z FWIW)

But I don't think Reform as a whole are sexist. They may well have some sexist members but it's a bit hard for them to have Cunningham, Pochin, Kemkaran etc in prominent roles & then say that women should be in the kitchen (as some pps here seem to think they will do)

Sorry..do you mean Clark or Ardern?

I mean Ardern.

I'm sure Helen Clark is perfectly nice but fundamentally she's an uncharismatic, unpolished, take-no-shit woman of a type that's quite common here. She faced misogyny too but on the other hand she won 3 general elections. Very keen on human rights but not in a "be kind" way.

A small women's changing room with clothes hooks, lockers and a bench for DW's department I believe. Not all team members would be changing at the same time, but they wouldn't have a private space and often more than one woman would be changing at the same time.

@Carla786 Why are you once again reviving zombie threads and peppering me with questions on months-old comments? What are you getting out of this?

I apologise, I know it's an older thread but I thought it might be OK to revive as it's late January so more recent.
I understand if you don't want to reply. I didn't think I'd asked you a lot of questions, (as 2 of my quotes were just agreement) but I can see it's annoying to get questions on older ones, I shan't revive again- I thought your comment about younger UK women voting Green in such large numbers was intetesting, that was all.

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In the Sandy Peggie case the doctor's complaint was specifically that she would not remove her clothes (which had to be changed after menstrual flooding) in front of him. That was the basis of the legal case. His hurty feelings when a much older woman declined to strip in front of him.

If you haven't read that case, and the Darlington nurses' one (both covered here over many threads, if you need the detailed evidence), don't theorise.

Yes, to Shabana Mahmood - but you suspect her own party will block her progress and thwart her aims.

Kemi Badenoch does have substance in my view, and she is one of the very few who have displayed a really firm grasp of the issue of trans ideology and the negative impacts it is having. Thank goodnes she was the lead of 'Women and Equalities' when she was.

She's delivered some really fantastic performances in the commons on a number of issues going back quite a few years. She delievered a great performance on the issue of slavery reparations put forward by Labour. Did you see that? She's her own person ( even though a little too economically ideological for my taste) and is never afraid to stand up and be counted on issues that really matter to her.

And judging by recent polls she seems to be the most rated leader ( or the least disrespected) amongst the current crop. I'll ve voting Conservative for the first time in my life at any upcoming elections on account of her.

It does strike me as unexpected that the generation raised after it became received truth in humanities and social sciences that behasvioural sex differences are all socially constructed demonstrates more behavioural differences between the sexes than my generation did.

You say that every time you do it, and then a couple of weeks later you do it again.

I literally do not know what you get out of scouring threads that have been inactive for months and then leaving multiple replies going "Hello! I'd like to revive this dead conversation and have an interesting exchange about this point that you probably don't remember making!"

Others may be fine with it, but I find it highly annoying and a bit creepy.

I agree with @SionnachRuadh

Polanski's Greens are the most sexist party out there, only rivalled by the Scottish Greens and the SNP.
Any party kowtowing to men LARPing as women is the very definition of weaponised sexism.
The cherry on the cake is the progressive virtue signalling.
Like calling Bernard Manning in the 70s a second wave feminist.

A bit like the Nordic equality paradox where those countries have bigger differences in careers and personalities?

https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/nordic-glass-ceiling#introduction

You're right, a similar curiosity.

Perhaps when it is felt that 'equality' has been achieved then people feel free to re-assert or express their actual preferences and differences again?