"A woman who is trans"

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I've been noticing this terminology creeping in. Just thought I might highlight it, so we can keep up to date with their ever-changing attempts to control language and muddy the waters. Have you seen any in the wild?

IndiaWilloughby
‪@indiawilloughby.bsky.social‬
Not a mention of the woman who’s trans, who did nothing wrong. This ruling is in direct conflict with the Gender Recognition Act. How is this happening? It is wrong on every level, and will be used to push trans people even further out of society and into danger

It reminds me of that section in the Peggie case. No matter what words are used even the most ardent allies know.

It's also now bloody obvious on multiple occasions that even ardent allies in court cannot keep the pronouns straight. They always, in the end, slip back to their fundamental recognition of reality.

"A woman who is trans" is obfuscation.
"A woman" for the purposes of the EA2010 means biological sex ie: female.

I guess we’ve got to give him points for creativity. He’s claimed to be a woman, a biological woman, a woman with a cervix etc.

He’ll keep trying and getting more desperate but sadly for him, nothing has actually changed. For all the money he’s spent on surgery, having his penis removed and his hairline plugged, he’s still a man and he will be increasingly reminded of such if he continues to use women’s spaces.

I don’t think this is a deliberate attempt to change terminology or mislead. I’ve described myself this way for the last few years because it’s the most accurate way I have. In the beginning the trans part was very important, but over time it has become a smaller and smaller part of my identity because it’s not relevant in my day to day life

Of course it's deliberate. The whole suggestion that a man (original sex based meaning)'s state of mind is somehow in certain contexts, or any context, equivalent and interchangeable with having a female body is so ridiculous it needs to be disguised in weasel words that apply the label "woman" to such men without any explanation of exactly why these two things should be in any way the same in the first place.

Gravy boats are not boats, not even if you call it "a boat that holds gravy".

I don’t see it as weasel words. It’s pretty clearly describing a person that became a women from being trans, and that’s how I’d describe my transition journey.

if 'trans" is not relevant in your life, then why mention it at all?

If you were born male you haven't become a woman. It's not possible

I wouldn’t mention it in almost all interactions and it very rarely comes up, but that’s how I see myself

That story only works because you redefined "woman" though. Which is the weaseling I object to.

There's nothing in whatever it is "woman" means to you that is interchangeable with being physically female and the physical, cultural and social risks, experiences and challenges that arise as a result, and it's dishonest, reductive of disempowering to female people to pretend it is.

These things are both real but they are not the same thing, not even related things, and it is not reasonable to take our name for yourself and leave us unnamed.

If you are male you are not and can not be a woman.

You never will be a "woman" while the word woman is used to mean female human.

You may feel your inner self image is more important in every social situation.

While your have a right to feel that way you can not impose that self image into the social context where your sex and the sex of the people around you is relevant to the social context.

Trans Activism has been all about changing the meaning of words to missex individuals.

If not TWAW, TMAM and NB are valid would not be a slogan used to push the message.

If there was no attempt to change the meaning there would not be claims that Transwomen is a transphobic spelling and that "Allies" must add in the space between the s and the w.

If there was not any attemp to change the meaning TRA would not be having meltdowns and bullying people live on TV.

If you are interacting with others you sex may be relevant if you break the social contract eg enter into what should be a woman only single sex space.

Or while you may have changed your meaning to include some males when you use the word women you knowingly engage in a verbal deception if you know (or have no reason to not know) that the listner is not including any males when they hear or use the word woman.

I agree that I haven’t changed biological sex.

I guess what I meant is, why not just describe yourself as a woman?

Or put another way: what is a woman anyway?

Do you understand that when you label this thing that is not biological sex as also "woman", the name that used to refer to biologically female people, you apply a reductive label to female people without our consent?

In which case you're not a woman. That word is taken and it means something already. It does not mean what you describe.

I'd be fine with you describing yourself however makes you happy, if activists hadn't stampeded this all over women's rights, women's language, to the point where 'woman' has become a mixed sex term.

It's become very important to be clear that men with trans identities are men. This is a fact, this is how the language has to work, too much damage has been done by trying to be 'kind', and support the illusion. And that is largely through men's lack of reciprocal kindness and respect. Trying to plead with women to go back to enabling now, just shows that ongoing lack and the reason why digging in for women has become the only path left.

I'm no longer interested in what men want and feel and need, or in learning all about their wonderful and mysterious inner identity expression; they have no interest in what women want and feel and need, or in undoing the damage they have done.

I wouldn’t say I’m imposing my self image on others. I’ve never insisted or told strangers to refer to me in a certain way. People make their own decisions about how to refer to me based on appearance.

@OpheliaWitchoftheWoods I'm no longer interested in what men want and feel and need, or in learning all about their wonderful and mysterious inner identity expression; they have no interest in what women want and feel and need, or in undoing the damage they have done.

👆 absolutely

Then what do you want here?

For women to get back into line, admire your 'journey' (you have no interest in theirs so far) and do what you want at their own expense?

On a women's forum? What are you hoping for?

You didn't become a woman though.

You started cosplaying what men think being a woman is all about.

If you ‘became’ a woman because you are transgender, then you are a male person. And you would not be a woman except through your personal philosophical belief about your identity. Plus your personal version of ‘woman’ is therefore your perception of what a woman is from
your very male understanding of female people. Which can never be from a position of a depth of knowledge and experience as any woman.

No one else needs to act as if they share your personal belief and can reject the use of the commonly understood word ‘woman’ as being solely for female people. If you are a female person, with a body formed from birth to produce large gametes (regardless of whether you ever have or not) then yes, you are a woman.

But... you're doing it right now! By describing yourself as "a woman who is trans", you're literally saying we should see you as a woman.

Do you feel it will be more relevant now its been made clear that certain spaces, provisions and protections for women will not be permitted to you? That the law doesn't see you as belonging to the group of people it calls 'women'?
I suppose what I'm getting at, is seeing yourself as a woman like any other (trans unimportant) isn't going to translate to the reality of your life, so is if not useful to you to use a distinguisher? Given any extra protections open to you (over and above those for men) will arise from you being trans, not from being a woman.

"based on appearance" FGS. As if that's all what being a woman is. Appearance.