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NormalAuntFanny · 15/01/2026 17:19

happydappy2 · 15/01/2026 17:14

the truth is the gov't has the power to keep out people who are articulate enough to criticise them. They don't have the power to keep out males from far away countries who enter the UK via small boats-these people tax payers are expected to foot the bill for housing & feeding. You might conclude our gov't are powerless to protect our borders....but just don't talk about that or you'll be in trouble.

People are literally saying that all the time!

What 'trouble' do they get in?

ArabellaScott · 15/01/2026 17:20

deadpan · 14/01/2026 18:01

Why is this about sex and gender or am I missing something?

Quite. Why the fuck have you posted this in Feminism, OP? No idea who this random woman is or what you want people to say.

ChamonixMountainBum · 15/01/2026 17:22

IwantToRetire · 14/01/2026 17:59

You dont seem to understand the basis on which she was band.

For decades (proabably centuries) the UK has banned people from entering the UK who are thought to be likely to promote hate and agitation.

This happens to both those of the far left and the far right.

Myabe the problem is it that you aren't aware of this.

Yet hate spewing clerics / immans are waved through to preach their special brand of Saudi backed religious intolerance.

happydappy2 · 15/01/2026 17:57

ArabellaScott · 15/01/2026 17:20

Quite. Why the fuck have you posted this in Feminism, OP? No idea who this random woman is or what you want people to say.

This is a European woman whose right to visit the UK has been denied by our gov't. She hasn't broken any laws or incited violence....she is critical of uncontrolled immigration as are many others. I don't want or need people to say anything-am just witnessing a slippery slope into totalitarianism under the current leadership.

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Binus · 15/01/2026 18:11

Do you think people have got a freestanding right to visit the UK OP? I'm not sure that's a majority opinion.

TempestTost · 15/01/2026 18:11

MarieDeGournay · 15/01/2026 13:26

When I see the kind of people who are proponents of the Great Replacement Theory, I think - hmmm.. maybe that wouldn't be such a bad idea.

White Americans complaining about a group of people being forcibly replaced by a different group of people coming from other parts of the word must make Native Americans think 'Have they ever read an American history book?'

The idea was that Democrats were happy to suppress political views they didn't like by changing the population of the country through immigration.

I don' think it's difficult to see why people might object to that. Nor why some wondered if their support for high immigration wasn't related to the belief that it would suppress their political rivals.

It's not really worked out for them like they thought mind you, they have in fact allowed in quite a lot of people who turn out to be fairly socially conservative.

TempestTost · 15/01/2026 18:16

UtopiaPlanitia · 15/01/2026 16:53

I'm inclined to agree with your analysis, even for people whose ideas I disagree with. As long as people aren't inciting violence, breaking defamation or libel laws, or supporting terrorism, I think freedom of speech is an important value to uphold.

I admire the fact that Americans are entitled to freedom of speech in their country's founding constitution. Freedom of speech is something that, in the last couple of decades following the ubiquity of the internet, a lot of Western govts are trying to reduce via salami-slicing legislation, or are allowing heavy-handed policing of speech, when it's used to criticise them and their policies.

All this being said though, it's entirely possible there are legitimate security reasons the public aren't aware of that account for why she's been told no. So to a point we really just have to trust that there may be good reasons that are not made public.

TempestTost · 15/01/2026 18:17

NormalAuntFanny · 15/01/2026 16:55

So Hitler was a vegetarian, so what?

Extreme right wingers love to bandwaggon on anti-EU stories because it gets them clicks and helps their paymaster Vlad Putin destabilise the west.

Wait, I thought the left wanted to destabilise the left? If everyone wants to destabilise the west we are in real trouble.

ElectoralControversy · 15/01/2026 18:36

Surely your woman there should just come in on a small boat since it's so easy and convenient and all?

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 15/01/2026 18:49

happydappy2 · 14/01/2026 17:48

It's a slippery slope if you ban someone from entering the UK when they haven't done anything illegal!

She hurts feelings and that's usually enough these days.

Starmer campaigned for Alaa Abd el-Fattah's release from prison in Egypt and then subsequently let him into the country despite extremely anti-Semitic musings.

Eva has the wrong opinions, that's all it really comes down to. She's also extremely attractive.

MarieDeGournay · 15/01/2026 19:51

AlecTrevelyan006 · 15/01/2026 15:48

i suppose that depends on if you think people should be held accountable for the actions of their ancestors.

Not quite - it's not about being held accountable for the actions of their ancestors, it's just not sounding like complete eejits by appearing to be entirely ignorant of history.
A bit of self-awareness would help too, and not proposing to repeat the actions of their ancesters.

deadpan · 15/01/2026 20:15

BundleBoogie · 15/01/2026 17:05

The far right is the second largest threat as far as MI5 are concerned at the moment.

but the Islamic threat is by far and away the biggest threat to our country according to MI5 and they have actually killed and injured thousands and there are many active threats currently being dealt with. Apparently at least 19 identified terrorists have entered on small boats and have started an asylum claim so we can’t deport them.

I don’t know much about Eva but it sounds like a large part of the issue our government has with her is that she’s talking about immigration which is fast becoming a forbidden topic. Why can’t we discuss the circumstances which are allowing actual terrorists to enter our country and stay against our wishes?

The largest increases in migration were under the last selection of Tory leaders. They could have done a lot more than they did but seemingly couldn't be arsed.
Many governments have excluded people from entering the UK. Just because she is part of a different threat level doesn't mean she shouldn't be excluded

FrizzyFrizbee · 15/01/2026 21:40

BundleBoogie · 14/01/2026 21:58

So NOW we’re being picky about who we let in?

A little consistency from this government would be nice.

Exactly. And wouldn’t it be amazing if the government could be so determined that is would find a way to ensure that rapists and murderers and other criminals who come into this country, would actually be deported instead of giving legal aid to extract the urine out of the tax payer and be allowed to stay here.

FrizzyFrizbee · 15/01/2026 21:44

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 15/01/2026 18:49

She hurts feelings and that's usually enough these days.

Starmer campaigned for Alaa Abd el-Fattah's release from prison in Egypt and then subsequently let him into the country despite extremely anti-Semitic musings.

Eva has the wrong opinions, that's all it really comes down to. She's also extremely attractive.

Exactly!

trufflesandolives · 15/01/2026 21:47

Good but couldn't they start with banning X and Telegram. The far right is using social media to brainwash people and she's one of its spearheads.

justasking111 · 15/01/2026 21:47

merrymonsters · 14/01/2026 18:18

She's a big campaigner for Dutch farmers against their government's/EU's disastrous policies.

I'm guessing no farmers on MN. I saw it on the farming section originally.

justasking111 · 15/01/2026 21:53

This may be why

Eva Vlaadingerbroek has been banned from travelling to the UK
persephonia · 15/01/2026 22:06

happydappy2 · 14/01/2026 17:48

It's a slippery slope if you ban someone from entering the UK when they haven't done anything illegal!

So open borders are good or bad? So confusing...

I support free speech and a range of views. But I don't think we are under an obligation to let in anyone with extremist views. Whether they be radical.Islamists or far right Dutch women. I think we should be limited in who we van outright. But there is no law saying we have to issue visas/allow people in.

I lived in the Netherlands for a long time and have quite close links there. When the Dutch volleyball player who came to the UK and raped a little English girl got given a place on the Dutch Olympic team, I emailed the Dutch olympic committe and got a really patronising reply. I know someone further to the right of me who emailed Dutch MPs including Gert Van Wilders and I think this woman to. She definitely emailed a lot of Dutch charities. They didn't even bother to reply. (The only charity to raise a complaint was headed by a Moroccan woman ironically enough.) They use things like the grooming gangs to draw attention to their own arguments. But they don't actually give a shit about the safety of young girls/women.

I know thats probably a bit of a non sequitur. Its just i get disproportionately angry at the hypocrisy shown by a surprising number of (right wing) Dutch people who give zero fucks when Dutch men rape English girls. Or when Romanian women are trafficked to the Netherlands to be raped all day every day for punters. But pretend to care when they can make money pushing racist viewpoints. Grre. We owe her nothing.

99bottlesofkombucha · 15/01/2026 22:08

IwantToRetire · 14/01/2026 18:05

FWR is NOT only about sex and gender. That is the mis impression created by MNHQ mis naming what has always been and still is the Feminism and Women's Rights forum (have a look at the URL for FWR).

But even if it was stupidly just sex and gender it is possible to have a view as a feminist on how women are treated or thought of.

Or even a promotion of women being treated equally as for the most part hate speakers who have been banned are men.

So maybe a "win" for women's equality?!

Edited

Does this belong in either of the feminism sections though?

persephonia · 15/01/2026 22:14

happydappy2 · 14/01/2026 19:01

She is very vocal about governments having too much control-about farmers being pushed out of business. She speaks about the dangers of large numbers of men from foreign cultures where they view women as 2nd class, being allowed to settle in European countries. What exactly makes her far right?

But not one fucking word of comdenation for this guy. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13740213/olympics-child-rapist-steven-van-de-valde-surprised-at-backlash-for-raping-12-year-old-british-girl-but-wouldnt-let-critics-bully-him-away-as-he-admits-he-broke-down-at-furious-response-to-him-making-the-dutch-squad-in-paris.html

Wonder what the difference is? Hmmm
I like the Netherlands. I like the people there on the whole. But its the European hub for child pornography. Until very recently (I think 2024) it wasn't illegal for adults to seek out sexual conversations with minors online for example. The sex industry is hugely predatory. People like her never have any interest in cleaning there own houses. And I don't like to imply that you can only criticise one type of child abuse of you talk about it all. It's fine to focus on fixing one type of evil. But this attitude of these evil foreigners coming over with their dangerous cultures
We would never do such things. It just lets people ignore what's under their noses.

Olympics child rapist surprised at backlash for raping British girl

Steven Van de Velde, 30, served just 12 months of a four-year sentence after he was guilty of three counts of raping a 12-year-old British girl in Milton Keynes in 2014 when was 19.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13740213/olympics-child-rapist-steven-van-de-valde-surprised-at-backlash-for-raping-12-year-old-british-girl-but-wouldnt-let-critics-bully-him-away-as-he-admits-he-broke-down-at-furious-response-to-him-making-the-dutch-squad-in-paris.html

Whatisthisdamnednonsense · 15/01/2026 23:14

happydappy2 · 15/01/2026 17:57

This is a European woman whose right to visit the UK has been denied by our gov't. She hasn't broken any laws or incited violence....she is critical of uncontrolled immigration as are many others. I don't want or need people to say anything-am just witnessing a slippery slope into totalitarianism under the current leadership.

But what’s that got to do with this board? This should be in Politics.

She sounds like a loon.

Whatisthisdamnednonsense · 15/01/2026 23:16

justasking111 · 15/01/2026 21:53

This may be why

What she’s written here is inflammatory

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 15/01/2026 23:19

I can understand people not wanting to hear what she has to say but can they really dispute it's happening?

UtopiaPlanitia · 15/01/2026 23:53

persephonia · 15/01/2026 22:14

But not one fucking word of comdenation for this guy. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13740213/olympics-child-rapist-steven-van-de-valde-surprised-at-backlash-for-raping-12-year-old-british-girl-but-wouldnt-let-critics-bully-him-away-as-he-admits-he-broke-down-at-furious-response-to-him-making-the-dutch-squad-in-paris.html

Wonder what the difference is? Hmmm
I like the Netherlands. I like the people there on the whole. But its the European hub for child pornography. Until very recently (I think 2024) it wasn't illegal for adults to seek out sexual conversations with minors online for example. The sex industry is hugely predatory. People like her never have any interest in cleaning there own houses. And I don't like to imply that you can only criticise one type of child abuse of you talk about it all. It's fine to focus on fixing one type of evil. But this attitude of these evil foreigners coming over with their dangerous cultures
We would never do such things. It just lets people ignore what's under their noses.

I've never understood the Dutch attitude towards women - they claim to be so progressive and yet they have the claim to fame of beginning the world wide horror of blocking the puberty of kids based on their preferences for sexist stereotypes and in order to help them live out these sexist stereotypes in adulthood. They've also been happy for decades to be known around world for having streets where women are posed in glass boxes and their bodies sold to passersby. Sometimes they seem to be be so open minded their good sense has left them 🤷‍♀️

travellinglighter · 16/01/2026 00:17

Dollymylove · 14/01/2026 19:07

There are plenty of people in the UK who spew hatred on the streets of Britain, why are they not being kicked out?
Well we know actually but we will probably be jailed for saying it

We can’t kick out our own nationals, even if Farage has got two passports.