Glinner Bullseye comment on X

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Always trying to explain Glinner to DH, today he showed me on X JD Vance defending murder of the woman by ICE. Glinner had replied something like 'bullseye', as in agreement. I tried to comprehend with "satire?" but he said no he's on Liz truss show these days. I said well he's always been about protecting women and children, he's not suddenly supporting femicide, but the post convinced DH otherwise. Any insights? I'm not on social media

Isn't Brooks also the person who was with Baker attempting to disrupt a Feminist protest by playing "If you see a TERF, punch her in the fucking face" on continous loop on a portable speaker?

Go on X and ask Linehan what ThatBlackCat thought what point he was making by retweeting ethno-nationalist slop?

Didn't some people vote for Trump and Alexandria Ocasio-Corte?

People definitely voted for Trump and to protect abortion rights.

yes they did, however not enough to prevent the Republicans controlling both the senate and the house of representatives.

That kind of scuppers the argument that everyone who voted Trump is really right wing and would have voted for him regardless.

AOC appealed to posters on X to try to find out the reasons behind people splitting the ticket

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/17/trump-aoc-voters

The difference here is I don't care. If you do then go ask him.

It really is a simple resoultion to your ponderings.

Again, hearing a comment different to group think or disagreeing with you sometimes isn't telling you off/scolding you, why do you think people are being told off? So weird.

The longer you live, the more you realise how grey things become. You realise you may only ‘see through the glass darkly’, as the bible says. Not always can everything fit into neat black and white boxes. I was surprised to learn that Oswald Mosley crossed the floor (in Westminster) in protest at the British gov’t policy wrt the Black and Tan reprisals against civilians in Ireland. Even if it was, in the main, because it made the British army look bad.

Speeches should be in Hansard.

Yes, it just goes to show how horrendous the Democrats were if he was preferable.

Ahh yes, plausible deniability. If "bullseye from vance" isn't enough to convince you how low glinner has sunk then I can't help you.

Who, exactly?

Oh, I’m sure all those MAGA voters were absolutely struggling over their vote decision - “I really want to vote for Kamala, but she’s just made it impossible for me, so I have to become a racist, nationalist, misogynist, backwards POS. Darn it! (Also a Christian, too!)

If nothing else, this thread demonstrates that people have a range of views about Graham Linehan.

But did you ever get back to us on why you think it's right wing to protect women's rights?

You're calling half the voting population of the USA 'racist, nationalist, misogynist, backwards POS'?

It's amazing isn't it?

Illustrates my point up thread perfectly.

Shades of Brexit.

These kind of attitudes did precisely zero to change these voters minds either.

I wonder will people ever learn.

There are people in the states who, in the past voted for some or all of Obama/Clinton/Biden, but voted for Trump in 2024.

Understanding why that happened is absolutely key here. Yet I don't see much focus on that from any section of the media.

Well, there were lesbian couples on twitter who showed selfies of them voting for Trump based on the trans/womens rights issue. And checking out their profiles, they definitely were lesbians, and followed gay, womens rights and some left wing accounts.

No, just MAGA voters. You did see the MAGA part of my post? No? You ignored that on purpose?

So, maybe five people?

I can make up stats too.

The point being discussed was people who normally vote Democrat changing to vote for Trump.

MAGA voters were already Trump supporters so didn't change their vote, or were Democrats who became MAGA voters and (checks notes) became 'racist, nationalist, misogynist, backwards POS'.

And of course people changed their vote from Dem to Rep. If they had hadn't, Kamala would have got in 🫠

Exactly. People on the sane side of the debate have their every word, move and projected motivation (past and future) scrutinised to the nth degree and are unsurprisingly (as they are normal human beings with independent thought and human flaws) sometimes found wanting.

Meanwhile, those on the other side happily tolerate or advocate for male rapists in women’s prisons, children being sterilised and their health ruined forever and other such horrors. A sense of proportion wouldn’t come amiss for some.

Almost a million less Democrat voters voted for Trump. They lost one million votes in between Biden Presidency and Trump. Now we can argue why exactly that is. And there may be a single reason or many reasons. But end the end it is a fact.

I don't think it's that complicated.

Attempting to run Biden again was an an insult to Americans and ethically compromised the Democrats, and Harris was never that popular.

The attacks on Trump misfired because people had already survived a Trump presidency and come out the other side, and they looked back to 2016-2020 and, Covid aside, their lives weren't worse.

Fewer.

I think that you might be right in your last paragraph.

When you say "I won’t criticise women who are recording and protesting against ICE as I’m glad someone is doing it" I would agree. But on the other hand I would also say "Wow, have you watched much footage of leftist protestors in the UK and US, but in particular anti-ICE in the US? Have you watched their tactics and listened to their words? Can you not see how it is absolutely inevitable that protestors are going to get killed, and if protestors are going to get killed some of them might be innocent protestors?"

In addition, whilst I support the right of protest I also think that there is an argument that it should be limited. Brexit is a perfect example. I think there's an argument that you could say from 2016 to - say - 2021 "protesting against brexit is illegal. We had a vote, and to protest brexit is to protest democracy, and we do not accept that you have a right to protest democracy". One might similarly say "the US population voted for what is happening - to protest ICE is to oppose democracy."