Lucy Whitehouse, founder and chief executive of Fumble, awarded CBE for services to teenage education about sex and gender

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Fumble promotes gender ideology.

"We’ve launched our transformative content series: “Am I trans?” Translating sex, identity & relationships, supporting trans+ and non-binary young people to access sex and relationships education that is relevant to their experiences and needs. Discover the full series here."

https://fumble.org.uk/whats-difference-sex-gender/

"Before we get started, let’s quickly talk about the difference between sex and gender:

Sex refers to your anatomy and biological characteristics – i.e. your chromosomes, hormones and genitalia

Gender relates to how you identify – how you feel in your heart and your head. It’s not what’s in your pants!"

Followed by the genderbread person.

https://fumble.org.uk/gender-non-conforming-ally/

"Another massive misconception is that trans men only transition so they can benefit from male privilege. Let’s call that out right now. Trans men are men. They just happened to be born into a body with biological traits (e.g. vagina and vulva) typically associated with being female."

https://fumble.org.uk/trans-men/

"One person I spoke to had their cervical screening done at the same time as their testosterone injection. This meant they had something more affirming in the same appointment. If you use hormones you can ask if this can be done for you too!"

https://fumble.org.uk/making-cervical-screening-easier-if-trans/

"There are many different genders to identify with, and just as many ways you might choose to express yourself. For some people, transition may begin and end with socially transitioning, but for others this might look a little different. For example, they may medically transition too."

https://fumble.org.uk/what-is-social-transitioning/

"What are TERFs?
You might have heard of the acronym TERF, which stands for ‘trans exclusionary-radical feminist’. TERFs exclude trans people (especially trans women) from the women’s rights movement, claiming that ‘real’ women are being sidelined once again in favour of ‘men’ who say they identify as women. They argue trans women can never understand what it is like to grow up as a cisgender woman, as they have never faced the same set of oppressions – because they’ve had the privilege of being seen as a ‘man’ within society.

It’s true that trans women have not grown up knowing what it’s like to be treated by society as a woman from birth. However, this DOES NOT mean they have lived their life with male privilege. It means they have faced a separate set of difficulties and different forms of discrimination called trans-misogyny.

Both cisgender women and transgender women suffer under the patriarchy. Just because one person’s fight is not exactly the same as your fight, does not make your fight less valid. This is something TERF groups need to learn. TERFs fighting against trans women is not going to help dismantle the patriarchy. All women, regardless of their gender assigned at birth, may face additional and interconnected oppressions in society, such as racism and ableism. We all need to work to be intersectional."

"Some people argue being trans is unnatural, or that it’s not the way we should live. They believe that biology dictates men are men, and women are women. It’s the same reasons a lot of these groups are homophobic. The bottom line is that trans people exist, therefore it is natural. Gay, lesbian, bi and pan people exist, therefore it is natural. Non-binary people exist, therefore – you guessed it – it’s natural."

"Trans rights and trans activism is important because trans people face an immense amount of discrimination, prejudice and hate in the form of transphobic language, attitudes, actions and laws – just because their gender is different to the one society assigned them."

https://fumble.org.uk/transphobia-what-is-it-how-to-challenge-it/

Lucy Whitehouse, founder and chief executive of Fumble, for services to teenage education awarded CBE.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8d8zvpnejo

The grift goes on.

I wonder whether gender ideology will eventually implode under the weight of its own bullshit, or whether it will become ingrained as the new, post-scientific normal.

I hope for the former. If the latter prevails, I hope I am not alive long enough to see where it will all end.

FFS.

"Another massive misconception is that trans men only transition so they can benefit from male privilege. Let’s call that out right now. Trans men are men. They just happened to be born into a body with biological traits (e.g. vagina and vulva) typically associated with being female."

That's a non-answer. Trans men have not grown up with male privilege, and do indeed need to transition to benefit from it. A non-transitioned trans man can call themselves a man all they want in private, they still won't benefit from male privilege.

The bottom line is that trans people exist, therefore it is natural. Gay, lesbian, bi and pan people exist, therefore it is natural. Non-binary people exist, therefore – you guessed it – it’s natural."

Whether it exists is and is natural is no argument as to whether it should be supported by society. There are plenty of things that exist and are natural among humans, but which civilised societies rule as unacceptable and even punish.

trans people face an immense amount of discrimination, prejudice and hate in the form of transphobic language, attitudes, actions and laws – just because their gender is different to the one society assigned them."

Nope. It's not about our gender. It's about what we do in the name of that gender. Massive difference.

Anyway. Very much preaching to the choir here. I doubt those arguments would convince anyone who's not already willing to be convinced.

Reading that pile of absolute bullshit my eyes rolled so far round I don't think I'll see properly for weeks

typical third sector middle class member of the lanyardocracy

just to be clear I didn't mean your post @Seethlaw !!! Which is as sensible as ever

OK Lucy. Can I extrapolate 'exist therefore natural' logic to 'murderers exist so murder is natural'?

If women are terrified of people who they see as men using women’s bathrooms, then we have a much bigger issue than trans women using the same space. This is an indicator of how scared women can be to be alone in enclosed spaces with men – and this is a very real issue. Therefore, the bathroom argument really isn’t about a fear of trans women. It is a fear of men. A fear of rape culture. A fear of gendered violence. And that is the real conversation we should be having.

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A CBE for services to teenage education? For that?
To quote a PP: FFS!

That said, I liked the snappy definitions of sex and gender, and I think they are useful:
Sex refers to your anatomy and biological characteristics – i.e. your chromosomes, hormones and genitalia
Gender relates to how you identify – how you feel in your heart and your head.

. 'how you feel in your heart and your head' is of huge interest to 'you', but why should it be of interest to the law, or education, or the media, or medicine, or whatever?

Making laws on the basis of people's feelings is dangerous, because future laws might just as easily forbid and punish feelings. Laws about acts, and in some cases about words, OK, but laws - far-reaching, intrusive and disturbing laws - based on people's feelings? I don't think so.

Feelings about sex are variable, controversial, subjective; the facts about sex are clear and precise. Clear, precise facts seem like a better basis for legislation than some [very few, in fact] people's feelings.

That's what the UKSC seemed to assert - it is the anatomical and biological characteristics of being male or female that are relevant, not feelings.

[Just my completely un-expert IANAL opinion, obvs. ]

If it's not what's in your pants why do they chop your cock off?

One of life's mysteries.

Sex refers to your anatomy and biological characteristics – i.e. your chromosomes, hormones and genitalia

She needs to catch up. This is a very transphobic statement nowadays. A nebulous dog whistle in fact.

Most of the posters on this board have been saying this for years. It’s never been about Trans (hence the lack of discussion about transmen), it’s always been about Men (no matter how they identify). But TRAs only have “transphobia” to fall back on so they shout that as loud as they can because if you really look into it, everyone knows we are not being unreasonable to expect males to stay out of female single sex provision.

As for the OP (post not poster), what a load of over privileged bollocks. It’s the old adage that some people are so open minded that their brains have fallen out. But they are also selective in their supposed progressiveness as they fail to recognise that going along with gender ideology, negatively affects the most vulnerable in society in a big way. If they were really progressive, they’d have thought of that.

Because for some trans people, that's important.

That's the problem with "trans": it doesn't mean anything anymore. It covers literally everyone who isn't "cisgender", with "cisgender" defined as:
a. feels like they have a gender identity
b. this gender identity aligns with their sex.

As demonstrated on other threads, this definition means that quite a few women on this board could in fact fit within the trans category, since they don't feel like they have a gender identity to begin with!

So basically: is trans or not whoever wishes to be or not. And for some trans people, a physical transition is a wish, but not for others. At this point, I'm awaiting the first person asking for a transition while still claiming the label "cisgender". I mean, why not??

When I was writing my post suggesting that the law should stay out of people's feelings, there was a quote floating around in my memory, and now I've remembered it: Lord Coke, 1607, "No man ecclesiastical or temporal shall be examined upon secret thoughts of his heart or of his secret opinion"

What you feel is your own business, and you have freedom to think and feel what you like, but it's not the business of the law to enshrine this person's feelings as opposed to - and in conflict with - that person's feelings.

See- I can always come up with some kind of flourish from Coke or Burke to make it look like I know what I'm talking about😁

From the website’s guide to puberty:

To start off, here’s a guide to some of the changes in puberty for people with a penis and balls may experience from roughly the ages of 10 to 18.

Doesn’t even make sense! The grammar is completely off.

People with penises and balls undergo a great deal of physical growth once puberty arrives. These changes happen at different rates as everyone goes through puberty in various ways. You will start growing taller and developing muscles, especially around the chest as it grows broader.

https://fumble.org.uk/puberty-with-a-penis/

What was it trans activists say about terfs, something about the fact we keep reducing people to their body parts? How many penises and balls does one individual have? Not clear. Another snippet:

However, while wet dreams are common for people with a penis or balls going through puberty, not everyone will have one. This is no cause for concern and does not mean there is anything wrong with you or your genitals.

Now it’s people with a penis OR balls. More confusing than ever. I think this website is a load of Orwellian claptrap.

If we said for some alt hearing people it is important to chop their ears off people would be 'hang on a minute' but apparently when it comes to trans anything goes.

Think of the most absurd TRAs you know.

At this rate, they'll be in the House of Lords before the next election.

I'll be amazed if the Lib Dem's haven't nominated Belcher

They are taking the piss naming their organisation for “education” of teenagers Fumble. It sounds very condescending.

Also, if we wrote about and described GI Ideologues or TRAs in equivalent terms to the way “TERFs” were described above, we’d face “hate speech” investigations, not awarded honours!

Fumble

What a revolting name for this group of grifters.

Yes, it's a horrible word.

Lots of inuendo.

Giving this child-transing grifter honours after FWS is 100% about putting two fingers up to women. Two-tier Kier is openly trolling us.

And Annaliese Dodds becomes a Dame. Words fail me.

Undoing the march through the institutions is going to be a long, slow slog.

Yes of course.

The bottom line is that trans people exist, therefore it is natural. Gay, lesbian, bi and pan people exist, therefore it is natural. Non-binary people exist, therefore – you guessed it – it’s natural.

Cholera, typhoid and coronavirus exist – therefore it's natural! Narcissists, psychopaths and perverts exist - therefore it's natural!
Asthma, heart disease and cancer exist - therefore they are natural!
Infestation of rats, carpet beetles, clothes moths and even headlice exist – therefore it's natural!

This claim that everything natural must be right and proper is the same argument that Dr Upton used in his defence against Sandie Peggy, except he used the word "biological". "I am not a robot. I'm biological, therefore I am a Woman"

There is a bit of a fatal flaw in this so-called argument. I mean I could go on but I think I've made the point.

Is it Starmer who made this choice? Or at least approved it. Interesting choice which perhaps says more about the chooser than the chosen.

No real hope for Lucy atm - who’s finding these beliefs to be too financially and socially rewarding to engage with critical thinking!

FFS. That takes the biscuit.