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Woman banned from Council gyms...guess why? Protest 10th Jan at 1 pm see post on pg.7

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lcakethereforeIam · 24/12/2025 11:09

Those who guessed 'because she objected to a man in the women's changing room', give yourselves a pat on the back

https://archive.ph/wLUBN

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/23/council-gym-trans-row/

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/23/council-gym-trans-row

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MirandainSouthwark · 04/01/2026 11:02

NowNoMoreBiscuits · 03/01/2026 12:29

👏👏👏👏

This. With bells & balls on.

When Jordan Peterson spoke out about Canada’s proposed C16 bill, to legally mandate certain words - pronouns - he said ‘I will not cede the linguistic territory.’ That always stuck in my mind. This was in 2016.

Hoping some of you Mumsnetters are coming, because you’re a hoot and I’d love to have a laugh in the pub afterwards!

MirandainSouthwark · 04/01/2026 11:03

PassTheHanky · 03/01/2026 12:56

I've just emailed Southwark Council's Complaints department. If I get a response within the promised 10 days I'll post it!

Wow! This is what we need. A deluge of outraged women and parents!

MirandainSouthwark · 04/01/2026 11:03

Cailin66 · 04/01/2026 08:17

More on Miranda here

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2149815/finally-turning-point-against-this
^^
Miranda Newsom was criticised by Southwark council for misgendering the man by using “him” rather than “she” and had her gym membership suspended for a year. Her objection was deemed “not appropriate”.

Thanks, hadn’t seen this. Will have a look.

MirandainSouthwark · 04/01/2026 11:17

KnottyAuty · 04/01/2026 09:45

@MirandainSouthwark is there scope for you asking the EHRC for help on this? If it’s Southwark Council who are the operators then the Regulator might fine them. They are looking for targets I think - the NHS Is possibly too big/unweildly but a local council might fit the bill nicely….

ETA After the EHRC threatened NHS Fife with a fine they said toilets had returned to single sex (although no published policy to prove it yet) so they carry weight even if they are struggling to get parliamentary support

Edited

I did write to EHRC initially.
ALSo, re toilets: last night was at a theatre that a few years ago changed their signs to “7 cubicles” (former ladies) and “5 urinals and 2 cubicles” (former gents). So every time I went I went in the gents and told any man who didn’t like it to complain as it wasn’t gents any more. Well I think they had most complaints from unsuspecting women and girls who walked in on urinals. So what have they done— changed signs back?
NO. They’re removed the urinals so now all the men who used the 5 urinals are in the queue of ladies or the queue for the 2 cubicles in the old gents. I told the person at the door it was outrageous!! We need MORE female toilets, not fewer urinals.
She said women complained about the urinals. I said just change the signs back and it would have been fine. All this hassle and expense and now giant queues just because young staff don’t want a separate ladies and gents!!!
When woke dogma defies logic and costs money and makes things worse… you’d think they’d wake up?! Nope

PassTheHanky · 04/01/2026 12:02

MirandainSouthwark · 04/01/2026 11:03

Wow! This is what we need. A deluge of outraged women and parents!

For info - This is the complaint I sent to Southwark Council.

"Southwark Council broke the 2010 Equality Law by having a policy which allowed men to use the Women’s Single Sex Spaces in their leisure centres.
When Miranda Newsom then encountered a biological man in Castle Leisure Centre she was totally within her legal rights to ask him to leave, but what happened?

  • she felt threatened because he was much bigger and younger than her;
  • he intimidated her by filming her in the ladies changing room;
  • he called the police despite being the offender;
  • your employees told her that your policies allowed him to be in the ladies changing room.
So what did Southwark Council do after basically telling her to shut up and put up? They banned her for not being nice! What they should have done is apologise profusely to Miranda Newsom for having broken the Law and allowing a situation where she was intimidated and threatened, and they should have changed their policy immediately to be in line with the law. The Equality Law protects the Safety, Privacy and Dignity of biological women but by breaking this law Southwark Council put all women at risk. I sincerely hope that Miranda Newsom takes legal action against you and I for one will be donating to her crowdfunder!"
MirandainSouthwark · 04/01/2026 12:10

PassTheHanky · 04/01/2026 12:02

For info - This is the complaint I sent to Southwark Council.

"Southwark Council broke the 2010 Equality Law by having a policy which allowed men to use the Women’s Single Sex Spaces in their leisure centres.
When Miranda Newsom then encountered a biological man in Castle Leisure Centre she was totally within her legal rights to ask him to leave, but what happened?

  • she felt threatened because he was much bigger and younger than her;
  • he intimidated her by filming her in the ladies changing room;
  • he called the police despite being the offender;
  • your employees told her that your policies allowed him to be in the ladies changing room.
So what did Southwark Council do after basically telling her to shut up and put up? They banned her for not being nice! What they should have done is apologise profusely to Miranda Newsom for having broken the Law and allowing a situation where she was intimidated and threatened, and they should have changed their policy immediately to be in line with the law. The Equality Law protects the Safety, Privacy and Dignity of biological women but by breaking this law Southwark Council put all women at risk. I sincerely hope that Miranda Newsom takes legal action against you and I for one will be donating to her crowdfunder!"

Oh my goodness. Wonderful! Thank you so much. I guess I’m a “troublemaker” now. My mother would be so tickled by this if she could understand (she has dementia now) as I was always the easy one and peacemaker.

MirandainSouthwark · 04/01/2026 12:12

MirandainSouthwark · 04/01/2026 11:17

I did write to EHRC initially.
ALSo, re toilets: last night was at a theatre that a few years ago changed their signs to “7 cubicles” (former ladies) and “5 urinals and 2 cubicles” (former gents). So every time I went I went in the gents and told any man who didn’t like it to complain as it wasn’t gents any more. Well I think they had most complaints from unsuspecting women and girls who walked in on urinals. So what have they done— changed signs back?
NO. They’re removed the urinals so now all the men who used the 5 urinals are in the queue of ladies or the queue for the 2 cubicles in the old gents. I told the person at the door it was outrageous!! We need MORE female toilets, not fewer urinals.
She said women complained about the urinals. I said just change the signs back and it would have been fine. All this hassle and expense and now giant queues just because young staff don’t want a separate ladies and gents!!!
When woke dogma defies logic and costs money and makes things worse… you’d think they’d wake up?! Nope

My goodness My DH says wow, so well-written!! We are very grateful!

FarriersGirl · 04/01/2026 12:42

I would love to be at your protest [and come to the pub] but I am too far from London unfortunately. I will drop a note to LBC Southwark to register my complaint on its treatment of you Miranda.

KnottyAuty · 04/01/2026 12:47

MirandainSouthwark · 04/01/2026 11:00

This. Thanks so much and for reminding us how strict the rules were just a short time ago. I got banned temporarily and told to delete posts or get permabanned for basic language. If I use “she/her” for a man, nothing makes sense. It is outrageous thought-control and speech control.
I can’t believe this is happening, as I am typically non-confrontational and a scaredy-pants. If you only knew the sweat and discussions with DH about what name I would use. The day before, I was considering my mother’s maiden name as worried about career damage. So glad I just stepped up. Honestly, 3 years ago, I wouldn’t have, but JK Rowling and other brave women paved the path and it’s only fair to them to be a little bit brave at this relatively safe juncture. Still double-checking door knockers before opening front door though.

Thank you so much!

MirandainSouthwark · 04/01/2026 21:38

PassTheHanky · 04/01/2026 12:02

For info - This is the complaint I sent to Southwark Council.

"Southwark Council broke the 2010 Equality Law by having a policy which allowed men to use the Women’s Single Sex Spaces in their leisure centres.
When Miranda Newsom then encountered a biological man in Castle Leisure Centre she was totally within her legal rights to ask him to leave, but what happened?

  • she felt threatened because he was much bigger and younger than her;
  • he intimidated her by filming her in the ladies changing room;
  • he called the police despite being the offender;
  • your employees told her that your policies allowed him to be in the ladies changing room.
So what did Southwark Council do after basically telling her to shut up and put up? They banned her for not being nice! What they should have done is apologise profusely to Miranda Newsom for having broken the Law and allowing a situation where she was intimidated and threatened, and they should have changed their policy immediately to be in line with the law. The Equality Law protects the Safety, Privacy and Dignity of biological women but by breaking this law Southwark Council put all women at risk. I sincerely hope that Miranda Newsom takes legal action against you and I for one will be donating to her crowdfunder!"

Sorry, meant to say on THIS thread, that my DH said 'WOW, so well-written!' and we're both very grateful, PassTheHanky!!!

fromorbit · 06/01/2026 05:01

@MirandainSouthwark

This might be a useful comparison. This awful trans criminal has a huge list of offences in London against women & police officers including in Southwark last year. Totally fine for him to be in a changing room though. Google the name for many other articles.

Beautician jailed for racially aggravated Southwark assault
https://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/24703748.beautician-jailed-racially-aggravated-southwark-assault/

Also remember Southwark Council are up for election on May 7th. I don't think a lot of voters would be happy with what happened.

Beautician who once shoved police officer onto Tube tracks jailed for attacking woman

A beautician who once pushed a police officer onto the Tube tracks has been jailed for a racially aggravated attack.

https://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/24703748.beautician-jailed-racially-aggravated-southwark-assault/

MirandainSouthwark · 06/01/2026 06:43

fromorbit · 06/01/2026 05:01

@MirandainSouthwark

This might be a useful comparison. This awful trans criminal has a huge list of offences in London against women & police officers including in Southwark last year. Totally fine for him to be in a changing room though. Google the name for many other articles.

Beautician jailed for racially aggravated Southwark assault
https://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/24703748.beautician-jailed-racially-aggravated-southwark-assault/

Also remember Southwark Council are up for election on May 7th. I don't think a lot of voters would be happy with what happened.

Gosh.
and yes, the point isn’t that every single man or trans-identified person is bad.
just that we keep all men out, because some (too many) men pose a risk to our safety and any men would impinge on our privacy and dignity.

fromorbit · 08/01/2026 12:37

Unison have called an anti woman counter demo on Saturday in Southwark. This is appalling.

https://nitter.net/roseveniceallan/status/2009029969469460542#m

Anyone who cannot get down please write to your MP, press about what is going on with Miranda. The attempt to stop women having leisure facilities in Southwark is awful.

Pickledcontext · 08/01/2026 16:22

Hi ladies,
These posts make me really sad.
I have been working in anti-sexual violence for many years.
I've sought to listen as best I can to this thread and I don't suspect this comment will be read, let alone heard.

I support your right to protest and I'm appalled that women have left a space due to their discomfort. This isn't right and I hope you receive an outcome that helps you feel safe and relaxed.

When I was a member at this gym, the only incident I had was with a man in the gym main space. It was bizarre and unpleasant and the attending staff member ignored the behaviour. I didn't feel safe and nor did I feel able to report.

Due to the nature of my work, I have spent more time than most talking to experts in sexual violence and countless survivors, from every day sexism to severe, life altering trauma in childhood.

As my fellow survivors will know, whilst it is not impossible for a woman to commit abuse, the vast, vast majority is committed by men. Again - I am not saying its impossible for a trans woman to commit abuse - but trans women are far more likely to be victims of sexual abuse than perpetrators.

Whilst I understand the fear that abusive men could abuse the system and pretend to identify as a woman, trans women have largely been using 'female' changing rooms since 2010, with very few reported incidences.

I'm not suggesting we need to agree on everything. Just please consider what will happen next.

  • If your child doesn't look feminine, how will they 'prove' their sex?
  • Do you have any butch friends? How will this impact them?
  • What about butch looking women you don't know?

I also don't think it's particularly useful, but outside of my work, I was surprised to learn that someone I had known for over a year was intersex. They didn't find out until they were a teen. It was a huge source of pain for them and continued to cause distress. I'm sharing this because I thought intersex people were much rarer than they are. A useful comparison is for every 3 redheads you've met, you've likely met 1 intersex person. It's not always as simple as testing hormones and I don't think any of us would advocate for genital inspections.

I sincerely apologise if I'm come off as judgemental, preachy or dismissive.
I respect your decisions and even though I don't agree with some of the things that have been said here, we don't have to force one another to totally agree on anything. However, when I read the posts and felt like I should probably stay silent, I felt that isn't what you're fighting for.

At the end of the day, whatever you believe, we all believe in the importance of safety, fairness, dignity and respect.

As you campaign, rightly, with a view to protect, please keep in mind that there are some people who will not be safe in the men's changing room. Saying that that's 'not my problem' isn't just unkind - we've had trans women in our spaces for over 15 years. Casting them aside without any consideration on the impact this may have says a lot about who we are.

fromorbit · 08/01/2026 16:38

Unison's move is getting a lot o push back on X.

Cathy Devine

Translation: Unisonsouthwark is campaigning against the 2010 Equality Act & legal rights of women to privacy dignity & safety in female single sex changing rooms. Unison thinks men should be entitled to transgress women's boundaries whenever they feel like it. Turbo sexism

Helleofabore · 08/01/2026 16:42

Pickledcontext · 08/01/2026 16:22

Hi ladies,
These posts make me really sad.
I have been working in anti-sexual violence for many years.
I've sought to listen as best I can to this thread and I don't suspect this comment will be read, let alone heard.

I support your right to protest and I'm appalled that women have left a space due to their discomfort. This isn't right and I hope you receive an outcome that helps you feel safe and relaxed.

When I was a member at this gym, the only incident I had was with a man in the gym main space. It was bizarre and unpleasant and the attending staff member ignored the behaviour. I didn't feel safe and nor did I feel able to report.

Due to the nature of my work, I have spent more time than most talking to experts in sexual violence and countless survivors, from every day sexism to severe, life altering trauma in childhood.

As my fellow survivors will know, whilst it is not impossible for a woman to commit abuse, the vast, vast majority is committed by men. Again - I am not saying its impossible for a trans woman to commit abuse - but trans women are far more likely to be victims of sexual abuse than perpetrators.

Whilst I understand the fear that abusive men could abuse the system and pretend to identify as a woman, trans women have largely been using 'female' changing rooms since 2010, with very few reported incidences.

I'm not suggesting we need to agree on everything. Just please consider what will happen next.

  • If your child doesn't look feminine, how will they 'prove' their sex?
  • Do you have any butch friends? How will this impact them?
  • What about butch looking women you don't know?

I also don't think it's particularly useful, but outside of my work, I was surprised to learn that someone I had known for over a year was intersex. They didn't find out until they were a teen. It was a huge source of pain for them and continued to cause distress. I'm sharing this because I thought intersex people were much rarer than they are. A useful comparison is for every 3 redheads you've met, you've likely met 1 intersex person. It's not always as simple as testing hormones and I don't think any of us would advocate for genital inspections.

I sincerely apologise if I'm come off as judgemental, preachy or dismissive.
I respect your decisions and even though I don't agree with some of the things that have been said here, we don't have to force one another to totally agree on anything. However, when I read the posts and felt like I should probably stay silent, I felt that isn't what you're fighting for.

At the end of the day, whatever you believe, we all believe in the importance of safety, fairness, dignity and respect.

As you campaign, rightly, with a view to protect, please keep in mind that there are some people who will not be safe in the men's changing room. Saying that that's 'not my problem' isn't just unkind - we've had trans women in our spaces for over 15 years. Casting them aside without any consideration on the impact this may have says a lot about who we are.

If you have been working with survivors you will most likely understand consent very well.

Can you please tell women why our rejection of consent for any male person to be included in a female single sex space should be ignored to allow a sub group of male people have access? On what grounds?

Framing the issue as being 'cis men are the problem' is really not true at all. Because the issue is firstly not just a safety issue, there are many harms that the presence of a male person in a female single sex provision can cause.

And to be blunt "but trans women are far more likely to be victims of sexual abuse than perpetrators" is an oft repeated statement that is not only emotionally manipulative, but it is irrelevant. If a group of male people require their own special provisions, then they should absolutely be campaigning for them. What they should NEVER have done was assume that they should be treated as being 'female' because they hold the philosophical belief that they are female.

This is where consent comes into the discussion. Even if a male person fully passes as being 'female', being in that space knowing that it is for female people only can be considered as an act of abuse. And if the female people in the space don't identify that he is there, it is abuse by deception. What other way is there to describe a situation where a male person accesses a female single sex space when they are male.

And no. Intersex people do not change the issue around male people with transgender identities.

It is irrelevant that some thinks any male person passes. There are well proven evidenced reasons why no male above the age of about 8 years old should not be accessing female single sex provisions at all. Even a male person who you believe passes 100% will also be correctly identified by a female person at some stage, it is simply not possible for them to pass 100% of the time with 100% of people.

Therefore, it is irrelevant whether they pass or not. The law is clear.

Safeguarding principles are clear too as they are based on risk assessment on a sex category basis.

There are a few reasons why this clarity exists.

Firstly, it is impossible for any male person to move from the male sex category to the female sex category because it is based on the sex class their body belongs to. This remains completely unchanged by any extreme body modification.

There are many reasons why a male person's sex class simply cannot be changed, scientifically because that body has cells coded as male from conception. This genetic coding resists any cosmetic or artificial change from hormones.

Changing how someone looks certainly does not change their sex.

Sports studies have also been very clear that no transition treatment reduce the physical advantages that male people have over female people. Even the lowest quartile of strength in male people are stronger than 90% of female people. If you would like the studies here is the thread:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5142027-save-female-sports-evidence-thread?page=1

Changing how someone looks certainly does not change their sex.

Then we have to consider that a male person knows they are male and has been treated as if they are male from conception, but maybe more understandably from birth. Therefore every interaction they have with society is as a male person and they react as a male person.

Philosophical theories or belief will not change the fact that that male person's interactions with the world is only as a male person. Certainly one who thinks of himself as not being male but is still male regardless.

No single sex provision has been created to allow male people access. It is very poor safeguarding to expose any female person who needs that provision to be single sex to a male person. No matter how that male person looks or acts. They are male.

Safeguarding exists as making blanket decisions about male people being excluded because no female people should have to make a decision on simple observation and in an instant whether that male person is going to attack, abuse or harm them in anyway. No female person should have to do a risk assessment in an instant of a male person who is in a female single sex provision.

In fact, it has been said and it has a lot of merit, that male people who make a deliberate choice to access a female single sex provision knowing that their very presence will potentially cause harm to a female person is doing so knowing the harm it will cause. That would be the definition of predatory behaviour, surely?

Then there is the aspect of discrimination. It is legitimate discrimination to exclude all male people from female single sex provisions. It is illegitimate and there are legal ramifications to discriminating against one or a group of male people by allowing one male person in and excluding the other male people.
This also relates to giving a group of male people access to GRCs. If the requirement is that they have hormones, surgery etc, that is discriminating against those male people who have transgender identities who cannot have hormones or surgery for what ever reason.

This is the law around discrimination.

So, that is also why it is not lawful to allow some male people into a single sex provision and not others.

However, EVEN with a GRC there are male people who will not even pass for those people who tell us they cannot tell between a male person and a female person. This then negates your argument about 'passing' male people.

It is a failure in safeguarding and it is a failure in law.

This is just the tip of the iceberg as to why allowing in a sub group of the group of male people that declare that they have transgender identities NEVER was the 'middle ground'. It might have made some people feel good supporting it thinking it was, but it never was.

Helleofabore · 08/01/2026 16:51

@Pickledcontext

Can I also recommend that you read these threads for extra information and background.

When specifically questioned, female people do not want any male person to be in their single sex provisions, even with surgery. There are also prisoner stats here for male people with transgender identities that have committed sex crimes here, just so you can understand why people say that those male people who have said they are female do not commit sex offences at the same rate or lower as female people.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5445880-statistics-poll-evidence-archive-thread?reply=149721144

If you are someone who is setting a safeguarding policy, why would you allow a group of male people to access a female single sex space based on
-their physical advantages,
-their continued male pattern crime rates,
-the lack of consent from female people
-the fact that they materially are not female and never have been
-the known fact that the presence of a male person in a public female single sex provision is likely at some stage to cause distress to a female person.
-harm does not have to be a physical attack for safeguarding to exclude a male person.

There are numerous harms.
Harms include:

-Rape and sexual assault.
-Violence.
-Sexual abuse that is not rape or sexual assault.
-Sexual abuse that also includes solo sexual acts or using the experience in future sexual acts.
-Any other abuse that may include verbal abuse, intimidation in any way etc, this includes inappropriate questions and comments.
-A male person's presence where female people need privacy and dignity.
-A male person's presence where female people need to feel safe from any male person's presence (over the age of about 8 years old).
-Female people self-excluding knowing that there may be a male person accessing that provision.
-Female people not having the freedom to discuss the issues that cause them distress, concern, or that they need to talk about because a male person is present.
-Female children (and female adults) learning to have no or too low personal boundaries because they have been taught that male people are female people and that they should ignore and overcome feelings of discomfort.

Narrowing the discussion to sex and violence offences does not remove these other harms from consideration for female single sex provisions and many of the above are directly applicable to toilet provision as well as, of course, other single sex provision.

Why should any male person be allowed to access a female single sex space?

other threads that might be useful reading:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me?latest=0

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread?latest=0

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5445899-break-it-down-for-me-2-general-break-it-down-archive-thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5445882-medical-treatment-for-gender-identity-evidence-archive-thread

Statistics & poll evidence archive thread | Mumsnet

Hi everyone I am creating this thread as an archive thread just for statistics and polling links and information that we can all access and refer t...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5445880-statistics-poll-evidence-archive-thread?reply=149721144

Apollo441 · 08/01/2026 16:51

Can I also ask @Pickledcontext why you think the crimes of voyerism and indecent exposure don't count for a subset of men (transwomen)?

Helleofabore · 08/01/2026 17:07

Just reposting these in case they are helpful.

This is straight to the point. Regardless.

https://x.com/KnownHeretic/status/2005692519624176091?s=20

Here is another one about the emotional manipulation tactics used to bully or cajole female people into accepting male people as being female.

https://x.com/KnownHeretic/status/2006188958586380420?s=20

Amy E. Sousa, MA Depth Psychology (@KnownHeretic) on X

Gender identity is completely irrelevant!!!!

https://x.com/KnownHeretic/status/2005692519624176091?s=20

Helleofabore · 08/01/2026 17:17

And two videos that came to light in the USA

Be aware that the first link has video of the shadow of a male person masturbating.

https://x.com/womenreadwomen/status/2008018385100267679?s=46

And this is the Tish Hyman story

https://x.com/listen2tish/status/1983270266387284252?s=46

https://x.com/listen2tish/status/1985207630739255501?s=46

(Someone reposted her video from TikTok)

x.com/bubblebathgirl/status/1985346784671998315?s=46

Andy Ngo posted this about him

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1985581931593965756

I have identified the trans person that Tish Hyman listen2tish confronted for using the women's locker room at gym at the Beverly Center in Los Angeles. The man's name is Grant Kyle Freeman (b. Feb. 1993). He uses the trans name, "Alexis." Ms Hyman was banned from the gym for not tolerating the man in the women's changing area.

and

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1985867337317130414

Here is video of Grant Kyle Freeman, the trans-identifying person who uses the women's locker room at gym at the Beverly Center in Los Angeles. He has a criminal record and appears to have taken his trans name, "Alexis," from his ex-wife.

X

https://x.com/womenreadwomen/status/2008018385100267679?s=46

Greyskybluesky · 08/01/2026 17:18

I'm honestly stunned that someone who professes to have worked in anti sexual violence for many years could write a post like that @Pickledcontext

It betrays a lack of understanding of the situation of women and girls wrt this specific issue. Please read and digest what Helleofabore wrote.

borntobequiet · 08/01/2026 17:28

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NebulousSupportPostcard · 08/01/2026 17:31

#sadtimes :/

Helleofabore · 08/01/2026 17:38

To answer your questions pickled

If your child doesn't look feminine, how will they 'prove' their sex?

How have female people proven their sex for decades when it is needed? Why you do you think it would be any different now?

And if all male people respected the policies and laws, and actually just female people's needs, and stayed out of the female single sex provisions, why would a female child have to prove anything? Or any female person?

And just because a female person doesn't look 'feminine', does not mean that humans cannot correctly identify a female person's sex category through observation and interaction. We have been doing it as a species for millennia.

Do you have any butch friends? How will this impact them?

Yes, I have 'butch' friends. I myself, as a young person was often mistaken for a male person. How will it impact them? Some female people might resort to asking if they are in the correct changing room for their sex. And those female people will do what I and many others have done for a very long time, say, 'Yes, thank you for checking'.

And as soon as we interact and someone hears our voice, they will realise that actually we are female.

Please stop leveraging butch looking women and not feminine enough looking girls to make it acceptable for male people to enter a female single sex provision.

What about butch looking women you don't know?

Same.

Just to repeat:

Please stop leveraging butch looking women and not feminine enough looking girls to make it acceptable for male people to enter a female single sex provision.

FallenSloppyDead2 · 08/01/2026 17:41

'I didn't feel safe and nor did I feel able to report' the 'bizarre and unpleasant behaviour' of a man in the gym.

Trans-identified males 'trans women have largely been using 'female' changing rooms since 2010, with very few reported incidences'.

C'mon @Pickledcontext , you can join the dots. I'm rooting for you!