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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Brigitte Phillipson blocking EHRC guidance

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lcakethereforeIam · 18/12/2025 20:55

I'm not sure if there's anything new here though

Phillipson blocks trans guidance after landmark Supreme Court ruling https://share.google/P91PBE5Cy4ROwsdA1

It's a very stark article in the Telegraph.

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1984Now · 21/12/2025 15:25

FallenSloppyDead2 · 21/12/2025 14:54

@SionnachRuadh Keep a close eye on Laila Cunningham, who's clearly one of the rising stars and will probably be their mayoral candidate.

She spoke at the Stop the PB Trial demo

Love to see women with genuine justified anger in public, it happens so rarely.
When Cunningham launches into the TWAW blowhards Polanski and Corbyn on panel discussions, they really cannot handle it.
The more I see the left (Davey, thru Starmer, Swinney, Polanski, Corbyn & Sultana) argue in public, the more I realize that whatever they might have had correct in the past has long gone, their intractable support for TWAW should preclude any of them from power (Labour restricted to a single, sad, inconsequential term in "power").

FallenSloppyDead2 · 21/12/2025 15:31

1984Now · 21/12/2025 15:25

Love to see women with genuine justified anger in public, it happens so rarely.
When Cunningham launches into the TWAW blowhards Polanski and Corbyn on panel discussions, they really cannot handle it.
The more I see the left (Davey, thru Starmer, Swinney, Polanski, Corbyn & Sultana) argue in public, the more I realize that whatever they might have had correct in the past has long gone, their intractable support for TWAW should preclude any of them from power (Labour restricted to a single, sad, inconsequential term in "power").

Well I certainly didn't have clapping a speech by a Reform candidate on my 2025 bingo card.

1984Now · 21/12/2025 15:48

FallenSloppyDead2 · 21/12/2025 15:31

Well I certainly didn't have clapping a speech by a Reform candidate on my 2025 bingo card.

She's reaching the parts Sarah Pochin sadly isn't/can't.
Along with Lord Offord (now plain Malcolm Offord) and Danny Kruger, Laila is a fantastic coup for Farage.
The Tories today are signalling willingness to drop hostilities against Reform.
I know so many women on this board cannot countenance voting Reform or even Tory.
But with the Phillipson intransigence on the SC, Streeting running the PB trial, bringing the likes of Nadia Whittome onto the body to discuss women's policies, Polanski, Davey, Swinney, Corbyn and Sultana all doubling down on the TWAW kool aid, Keir "we either respect the rule of law, or we're far right" Starmer's obfuscation on the SC ruling and even urgency on the grooming gangs inquest, if a gender critical govt is a red line for you, you cannot vote left.
And what do the left offer you in govt even if you put aside gender critical concerns?
What is Labour achieving other than a worse economy, sky rocketing taxes and welfare?
Polanski? Attacking billionaires and fossil fuel interests are his only policies.
Davey? Has his underpants in a twist over Trump and Musk, gives a bye to the BBC and it's frankly shameful reporting on trans issues.
Corbyn and Sultana? Omnicause incl men in women's spaces bolted on.
Swinney? You just know he loathes Nurse Peggie, just as he loathes all the women who helped bring Nicola Sturgeon down.
I'm no fan of the left, but not even I in a fever dream thought the abandoning of women en masse would be riven across the whole movement, with added cherry on the cake that they truly see them as the most virtuous champions of women.
Whatever issues the right has, and there are plenty, nothing comes close to the cognitive dissonance of those across the whole left.

Keeptoiletssafe · 21/12/2025 16:03

The toilet in this article is a unisex design. They are not as safe because they are private.

It could also be a single sex design because single sex designs are private when the space in front of them is mixed sex.

The safest designs have gaps at the bottoms of the doors so that the occupant (s) can be seen if they have a medical emergency. This also helps prevent assaults happening to women and children within the room or cubicle (no one likes witnesses). They are better ventilated and easier to clean and drain so have fewer pathogens. These designs have to be single sex and have a single sex area in front of them.

Adding more unisex provision is not a neutral act. It is detrimental to women and children, and anyone who is having a medical emergency.

Single sex toilets can only be safer if they are kept single sex. If everyone is allowed into all toilets we will have no safer single sex designs left.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-stuck-inside-locked-public-35746932.amp

Woman stuck inside locked toilet needs fire crew rescue after door malfunction

Firefighters were called after a woman got trapped in a locked public toilet in Exmouth when it malfunctioned, and her desperate boyfriend called emergency services for help

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-stuck-inside-locked-public-35746932.amp

FallenSloppyDead2 · 21/12/2025 16:22

@1984Now She's reaching the parts Sarah Pochin sadly isn't/can't.

She spoke at the PB demo too.

I will not be voting Left again. I cannot trust a single word they say about anything.
If there was a GE tomorrow I would not vote Reform. However the party has managed to get onto the radar of women like me, because of our GC views, and I think that they would rightly count that as a success this far out from a GE.

sweetsardineface · 21/12/2025 16:27

@1984Now What does Reform offer to you apart from agreement on this point? I won’t vote for Labour, LDs or the Greens, but I won’t delude myself that Reform is on the side of women’s rights.

IdaGlossop · 21/12/2025 16:28

Shortshriftandlethal · 21/12/2025 14:45

Georgia Meloni didn't have a fairy tale chilldhood, either. I note she and Kemi seem to get on very well and regularly whatsap' each other.

Giorgia Meloni is a great example of a politician who understands how to balance ideology with action. By moderating her rhetoric on mass immigration, she's managed to shift the thinking in the EU. She manages to make potentially controversial opinions feel like common sense eg radical Islam is incompatible with the values of the west. She is authentic, with no hint of her having a public face (brilliantly animated expressions too). I'm warming to Kemi and hope she will learn from Giorgia.

As a lifelong Labour voter, I ought to dislike them both, but Labour, specifically Bridget Phillipson, lost me last week on the Supreme Court ruling on defining sex. Labour is specialising in automata women (except Angela Rayner). Giorgia, Kemi and Angela have blood running through their veins, not the watered-down gruel favoured by Bridget et al.

1984Now · 21/12/2025 16:31

FallenSloppyDead2 · 21/12/2025 16:22

@1984Now She's reaching the parts Sarah Pochin sadly isn't/can't.

She spoke at the PB demo too.

I will not be voting Left again. I cannot trust a single word they say about anything.
If there was a GE tomorrow I would not vote Reform. However the party has managed to get onto the radar of women like me, because of our GC views, and I think that they would rightly count that as a success this far out from a GE.

How did Pochin come across? Her messaging has been poor since Farage promoted her, Cunningham seems to be given a freer rein.
With the Tories today signalling a thawing in relations with Reform, expect a much closer confluence of policies between the parties, and Badenoch will make sure a gender critical stance is going to be common across both parties.
Luckily I'm a right voter, there are no qualms for me here.
We saw this in the US election last year...Harris wittered on about her pride in securing funding for sex change surgeries on trans IDd men in women's jails, and her support of Title IX allowing boys and men into female sports.
And she paid the ultimate price.

FallenSloppyDead2 · 21/12/2025 16:38

IdaGlossop · 21/12/2025 16:28

Giorgia Meloni is a great example of a politician who understands how to balance ideology with action. By moderating her rhetoric on mass immigration, she's managed to shift the thinking in the EU. She manages to make potentially controversial opinions feel like common sense eg radical Islam is incompatible with the values of the west. She is authentic, with no hint of her having a public face (brilliantly animated expressions too). I'm warming to Kemi and hope she will learn from Giorgia.

As a lifelong Labour voter, I ought to dislike them both, but Labour, specifically Bridget Phillipson, lost me last week on the Supreme Court ruling on defining sex. Labour is specialising in automata women (except Angela Rayner). Giorgia, Kemi and Angela have blood running through their veins, not the watered-down gruel favoured by Bridget et al.

Meloni's 2023 speech on support for Ukraine was, for me, one of the political speeches of the decade.

SionnachRuadh · 21/12/2025 16:40

FallenSloppyDead2 · 21/12/2025 16:22

@1984Now She's reaching the parts Sarah Pochin sadly isn't/can't.

She spoke at the PB demo too.

I will not be voting Left again. I cannot trust a single word they say about anything.
If there was a GE tomorrow I would not vote Reform. However the party has managed to get onto the radar of women like me, because of our GC views, and I think that they would rightly count that as a success this far out from a GE.

The thing I'd say is that they're aware of their weaknesses and that they won't be solved overnight, but they know what the direction of travel is.

Lacking policies beyond immigration is one. That's what Danny Kruger and James Orr are dealing with, and they'll be bringing academics and think tankers on board.

The party being a Farage personality cult is another. He's indispensable, but they are making sure other people get lots of media and it looks like they have a team.

And tied to that, the lack of experienced people. Defections are the main way of dealing with that, but they're being careful about defections. They don't want to be a lifeboat for washed up Tories. I've heard from good sources that they've turned down 18 sitting MPs. To be accepted, you have to show you've got something to add to the party. For instance, Jake Berry was party chairman, he's been in the cabinet, he's an excellent campaigner who's steeped in red wall constituencies, so Jake being a remainer in 2016 is neither here nor there.

And as a bonus, Ben Habib's Advance party is a magnet for the racists and conspiracy theorists on the fringe of Reform. The general attitude from Reform activists is that if Ben wants their lunatic fringe, he's welcome to them.

They aren't yet where they want to be in terms of credibility of course. But they have a plan. That contrasts with the Greens, who are mostly relying on renewable energy generated from Zack's bullshit.

1984Now · 21/12/2025 16:44

sweetsardineface · 21/12/2025 16:27

@1984Now What does Reform offer to you apart from agreement on this point? I won’t vote for Labour, LDs or the Greens, but I won’t delude myself that Reform is on the side of women’s rights.

I'm open to voting for them, but I'm still a dyed in the wool Conservative.
Reform is a pure reaction.
All the time the Conservative Party said they'd control migration, or strengthen policing, or build houses, or reduce the welfare budget, or create a low tax/high growth economy, or control the borders, they did the opposite.
And Labour is not so much falling at the first hurdle, their cardinal sin is doing too much of the wrong things...assisted suicide, votes for 16-17s, Chagos, Erasmus, ending 2 child cap, ramping up young citizens on permanent mental health benefits, youth unemployment
And then not enough of the right things...one major thing being this refusal to give the only advice one can to organisations re the SC ruling.
The ruling class has totally lost it, from Conservatives who forgot how to conserve anything, to Labour who have no interest in working people and women's rights.
Whatever you think of Reform, they've totally changed the dialog.
Both main parties now have to talk about what Middle Britain is most angst ridden about.
That's all down to Farage, as he turns around the Tory behemoth, and makes Starmer sweat.
Whether I vote Reform?
No, he's nowhere close to sealing any deal with me.
But I know one thing, there is no gender critical proposal from Labour or any other left party.
We all know that now.
The bait and switch to get women's votes in 2024 really worked.

IdaGlossop · 21/12/2025 16:51

FallenSloppyDead2 · 21/12/2025 16:38

Meloni's 2023 speech on support for Ukraine was, for me, one of the political speeches of the decade.

The one at the February press conference at Palazzo Chigi?

SionnachRuadh · 21/12/2025 17:07

I think lots of people underestimate Pochin because they don't vibe with her Real Nationalist Housewives of Cheshire style. Lots of voters don't mind that at all.

It's the same reason that, though I'm not a fan of Rayner, I don't write off her possible appeal to voters. Someone who's a bit rough around the edges but has a personality might go down better with voters than with pundits who value slickness.

1984Now · 21/12/2025 17:07

SionnachRuadh · 21/12/2025 16:40

The thing I'd say is that they're aware of their weaknesses and that they won't be solved overnight, but they know what the direction of travel is.

Lacking policies beyond immigration is one. That's what Danny Kruger and James Orr are dealing with, and they'll be bringing academics and think tankers on board.

The party being a Farage personality cult is another. He's indispensable, but they are making sure other people get lots of media and it looks like they have a team.

And tied to that, the lack of experienced people. Defections are the main way of dealing with that, but they're being careful about defections. They don't want to be a lifeboat for washed up Tories. I've heard from good sources that they've turned down 18 sitting MPs. To be accepted, you have to show you've got something to add to the party. For instance, Jake Berry was party chairman, he's been in the cabinet, he's an excellent campaigner who's steeped in red wall constituencies, so Jake being a remainer in 2016 is neither here nor there.

And as a bonus, Ben Habib's Advance party is a magnet for the racists and conspiracy theorists on the fringe of Reform. The general attitude from Reform activists is that if Ben wants their lunatic fringe, he's welcome to them.

They aren't yet where they want to be in terms of credibility of course. But they have a plan. That contrasts with the Greens, who are mostly relying on renewable energy generated from Zack's bullshit.

This is good to hear. I know the James Orr connection is solid, he is absolutely an asset to Farage.
The likes of Kruger, Cunningham and now Offord make the party genuinely look substantive.
Farage also knows Reform have one go at this.
From the bond markets that could crash any amateur economics, to an establishment who are looking to cook Farage's goose, he knows he has to have an absolutely worked out plan good to go for the first hundred days.
No UKIP thrown together mess.
The Tories signalling a thawing of relations is good as well.
2026 marks the year where we start to see the outlines of a Reform govt, a reconciliation of the centre right with the Tories.
Because whatever anyone thinks of "distasteful" Reform populist politics, Polanski's cult is far far worse.
Actor to hypnotherapist to LD activist to party leader, the kind of CV that will make me break out in a cold sweat if he ever holds sway.

FallenSloppyDead2 · 21/12/2025 17:08

IdaGlossop · 21/12/2025 16:51

The one at the February press conference at Palazzo Chigi?

This one. It was just so unexpected, in a good way, by me anyway😃

www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/11yyrpi/in_the_discussion_over_the_next_eu_council/

1984Now · 21/12/2025 17:22

FallenSloppyDead2 · 21/12/2025 16:59

@1984Now How did Pochin come across?

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=32903038206007967

She was good, not mesmerising, but good

Tbh, in today's politics, "good" is all that we want, so let down are we by so many in public office.
And good means you can get better.

FallenSloppyDead2 · 21/12/2025 17:27

1984Now · 21/12/2025 17:22

Tbh, in today's politics, "good" is all that we want, so let down are we by so many in public office.
And good means you can get better.

Yes, Badenoch was good and she has got better.

IdaGlossop · 21/12/2025 17:28

Just listened. It has the Meloni hallmark - plain, direct, compelling. I hope that as she has resisted Putin, so may she resist Trump, who has a plan to prise Italy, Austria, Hungary and Poland away from the EU.

1984Now · 21/12/2025 17:29

SionnachRuadh · 21/12/2025 17:07

I think lots of people underestimate Pochin because they don't vibe with her Real Nationalist Housewives of Cheshire style. Lots of voters don't mind that at all.

It's the same reason that, though I'm not a fan of Rayner, I don't write off her possible appeal to voters. Someone who's a bit rough around the edges but has a personality might go down better with voters than with pundits who value slickness.

Despite disagreeing with all of Rayner's politics, if we get Starmer succeeded by a disingenuous drone like Streeting or a zealot like Milliband, instead of her, I'll be very disappointed.
Would really love to see Rayner and Badenoch square up to each other.
Good speech from Pochin, I'm not down on her, but it looks like her interjections on the Burkha and the ethnic make up of participants in adverts has somewhat taken the wind out of her sails.

EasternStandard · 21/12/2025 17:31

FallenSloppyDead2 · 21/12/2025 17:27

Yes, Badenoch was good and she has got better.

She’s great. I’m not sure the public will forgive the party in time for the next GE but she would be a very good PM.

As it is it might be coalitions a go go and Polanski is polling higher than Starmer these days which is a concerning outcome.

1984Now · 21/12/2025 17:33

SionnachRuadh · 21/12/2025 17:07

I think lots of people underestimate Pochin because they don't vibe with her Real Nationalist Housewives of Cheshire style. Lots of voters don't mind that at all.

It's the same reason that, though I'm not a fan of Rayner, I don't write off her possible appeal to voters. Someone who's a bit rough around the edges but has a personality might go down better with voters than with pundits who value slickness.

"Real Nationalist Wives Of Cheshire", lol.
I might even tune into that one.
Maybe not "Real Polycules Of The Scottish Greens"
Or Polanski's "My World Of Hypnotherapy"

SionnachRuadh · 21/12/2025 17:45

1984Now · 21/12/2025 17:33

"Real Nationalist Wives Of Cheshire", lol.
I might even tune into that one.
Maybe not "Real Polycules Of The Scottish Greens"
Or Polanski's "My World Of Hypnotherapy"

I'd watch it. If Esther McVey defects, they would be a fun double act.

1984Now · 21/12/2025 17:54

SionnachRuadh · 21/12/2025 17:45

I'd watch it. If Esther McVey defects, they would be a fun double act.

Would Pochin get a word in edgeways? Esther is quite the talkative type, lol.
Who could Laila Cunningham team up with for "Real Feisty Mums With Loads Of Kids Of London"?
I mean, who else in London other than her has 7 kids?

CraftyRedBird · 21/12/2025 18:13

I'm certainly not a top political analyst but it's my take the delay may be related.

All the seats for all the London boroughs are up in May (it's not 1/3 like some councils).

I actually got a Reform leaflet in the door, I was surprised they are bothering as it's a long term voting Labour area. They must think they've got a shot (campaigning on crime, mainly).

Under FTFP they all need to think about vote splitting.

Moving on to grant trans access may send some youth from Labour to the Greens. Possibly.

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