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Green Party lawyers warn guidance on identifying ‘queerphobia’ risks discriminating against members who question gender ideology

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IwantToRetire · 12/12/2025 19:08

The Green Party is tearing itself apart over internal trans guidance, a leaked dossier has revealed.

The 53-page report on legal and reputational risk to the party, leaked to The Telegraph, exposes an extraordinary row over the party’s policies on transgender and LGBT rights.

It poses material legal and financial risks to Zack Polanski’s movement, the dossier reveals.

The report, drawn up by the party’s own lawyers, raises concerns over “expulsions” of members who question gender ideology.

It says these have not always followed “due process”, suggesting party lieutenants have been taking disciplinary action against members because of “individual hostility to gender-critical beliefs, or assumed beliefs”.
It warns such sanctions “should only be undertaken in extreme circumstances” and that action against gender-critical members is sapping morale and “failing to inspire the trust and confidence of large numbers of party members”.

The report also reveals the party is spending almost £200,000 a year on its legal costs and external investigations of disciplinary cases, threatening its ability to carry out key functions.

Article continues at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/12/12/green-party-tearing-itself-apart-over-trans-rights-dossier/ and at https://archive.is/SVOv3

Green Party lawyers warn guidance on identifying ‘queerphobia’ risks discriminating against members who question gender ideology
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JellySaurus · 12/12/2025 19:35

Begs the question: why didn’t the party’s lawyers point this out several years ago, when the Green Party first began to get enmeshed in this unscientific, misogynistic, anti-safeguarding ideology?

JustSpeculation · 12/12/2025 19:41

JellySaurus · 12/12/2025 19:35

Begs the question: why didn’t the party’s lawyers point this out several years ago, when the Green Party first began to get enmeshed in this unscientific, misogynistic, anti-safeguarding ideology?

Perhaps because: "The report also reveals the party is spending almost £200,000 a year on its legal costs and external investigations of disciplinary cases"

ProfessorRedshoeblueshoe · 12/12/2025 19:42

JustSpeculation · 12/12/2025 19:41

Perhaps because: "The report also reveals the party is spending almost £200,000 a year on its legal costs and external investigations of disciplinary cases"

😂

moto748e · 12/12/2025 20:11

It's an ill wind... 😀None of these puff-pieces ZP seems to be hoovering up from, as PE would say, gullible hacks, seem to bother asking him how the GP came to agree with this anti-science rubbish.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/12/2025 20:15

Love that they criticise their own lawyers as "factually inaccurate" and then spout the TWAW mantra to remind us all what incoherent muppets they are

plantcomplex · 12/12/2025 20:54

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/12/2025 20:15

Love that they criticise their own lawyers as "factually inaccurate" and then spout the TWAW mantra to remind us all what incoherent muppets they are

Imagine writing a report that so clearly and thoughtfully explains why their policy is unlawful and discriminatory - only to see them give an official statement in response reiterating that policy.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 12/12/2025 21:14

"queerphobia" now! has 'transphobia' been upsurged? are they changing the narrative again, they're going to run out of phobia's soon.

Despite been barn pot crazy, the Green Parties membership keeps raising, so may be the leadership thinks it has money to burn because it can always relay on the membership for more.

IwantToRetire · 12/12/2025 21:19

It is depressing to know that some, in seeking a new party because they feel let down by the one they have traditionally supported, seems more than happy to support one that doesn't support women's sex based rights.

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moto748e · 12/12/2025 21:28

IwantToRetire · 12/12/2025 21:19

It is depressing to know that some, in seeking a new party because they feel let down by the one they have traditionally supported, seems more than happy to support one that doesn't support women's sex based rights.

It sure is, not only because it shows they are happy to forget all about women's rights, but also, more generally, that it shows the sheer lack of critical thinking. And this from people who doubtless like to think of themselves as the intelligentsia! Have they even bothered to have a good look at the Green Party in recent times?

junipery · 12/12/2025 23:44

IwantToRetire · 12/12/2025 21:19

It is depressing to know that some, in seeking a new party because they feel let down by the one they have traditionally supported, seems more than happy to support one that doesn't support women's sex based rights.

I thought a chunk of people joined the Greens precisely because of their trans stance? Ie it was more of an active decision not just I’ve joined the Greens because of Labour and it just happens that this is their trans policy.

moto748e · 12/12/2025 23:52

Well, time will tell whether that was a successful recruitment campaign by the GP.

IwantToRetire · 12/12/2025 23:57

junipery · 12/12/2025 23:44

I thought a chunk of people joined the Greens precisely because of their trans stance? Ie it was more of an active decision not just I’ve joined the Greens because of Labour and it just happens that this is their trans policy.

I said this on another thread, but from what I have seen any one talking about joining the Greens is because Labour is now seen as Tory lite.

And their interest is more on traditional areas such a benefits etc..

Nobody every mentions women.

Its very noticable once you are outside of FWR the issue of women never comes up.

Some may mention LBGTQI* whatever, but no one even mentions women let alone women's rights.

It is like old fashioned Labour. Women are just there to support the bros!

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junipery · 13/12/2025 00:10

IwantToRetire · 12/12/2025 23:57

I said this on another thread, but from what I have seen any one talking about joining the Greens is because Labour is now seen as Tory lite.

And their interest is more on traditional areas such a benefits etc..

Nobody every mentions women.

Its very noticable once you are outside of FWR the issue of women never comes up.

Some may mention LBGTQI* whatever, but no one even mentions women let alone women's rights.

It is like old fashioned Labour. Women are just there to support the bros!

That’s very interesting. So maybe the normal Labour members have gone to the Greens and the batshit ones have gone to Your Party.

moto748e · 13/12/2025 00:17

and the batshit ones have gone to Your Party.

No different there, though. Still gender-loons, but with added internal contradictions.

fromorbit · 13/12/2025 01:07

The Greens sexism is helping them in certain ways, but it hinders them in others. They just keep coming up with more absurdities. No-one should deny ZP's charisma like Trump and Farage he has real conviction and can sell it. This impresses people. Look at the surge in membership.

Yet his ability to underestimate women is going to be an issue for him long term.

Hypno Boobs ongoing misogyny is no surprise and he has reinforced it in recent days by going after a female ethnic minority Labour MP over the Bum Gate scandal which in itself shows his contempt for care workers. See the Green thread for details:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?

This leaked report indicates that sooner or later the Greens are going to crash and burn over denying the existence of men and women. ZP will throw more and more money into doomed court cases. Everyone he loses makes our side stronger.

It will take time, but it is only going one way. The real down side is that the Greens look to be taking down the British left with them and making a Reform government inevitable.

Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 2 | Mumsnet

Zack Polanski is making things bigger again. We need a new thread to discuss all his antics and the ongoing situation in the Green party which is ge...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2

moto748e · 13/12/2025 01:12

Agree, @fromorbit ; can't see it going any other way.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/12/2025 01:25

junipery · 13/12/2025 00:10

That’s very interesting. So maybe the normal Labour members have gone to the Greens and the batshit ones have gone to Your Party.

From what I know from friends plenty of the batshit ones have gone to the Greens and many think YP is “transphobic”.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/12/2025 01:26

junipery · 12/12/2025 23:44

I thought a chunk of people joined the Greens precisely because of their trans stance? Ie it was more of an active decision not just I’ve joined the Greens because of Labour and it just happens that this is their trans policy.

They did. See the long running Green and Your Party threads.

IwantToRetire · 13/12/2025 01:32

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/12/2025 01:26

They did. See the long running Green and Your Party threads.

It depends on which bubble you live in.

As I say sadly on any level whether sex based women's rights, or anything else, women dont even register as something to think about.

But many caught up in being "woke" are very LGBTQI* with no analysis.

So in male terms Green Party is "revolutionary" but in terms of women's politics, just another male dominated party.

Quite surprised at the number of posters actually thinking most people do an in depth analysis of political parties.

Most join or support based on quick headlines.

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TempestTost · 13/12/2025 01:37

They won't be the first Green Party to tear themselves apart over identity politics and intersectionality. I would love someone to do an in depth examination of why this is happening to parties like this.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/12/2025 01:43

IwantToRetire · 13/12/2025 01:32

It depends on which bubble you live in.

As I say sadly on any level whether sex based women's rights, or anything else, women dont even register as something to think about.

But many caught up in being "woke" are very LGBTQI* with no analysis.

So in male terms Green Party is "revolutionary" but in terms of women's politics, just another male dominated party.

Quite surprised at the number of posters actually thinking most people do an in depth analysis of political parties.

Most join or support based on quick headlines.

Yes, a lot of people joined the Greens because they perceive Labour as too “right wing”. This is one of the hot button issues for that, as is Gaza.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/12/2025 01:44

TempestTost · 13/12/2025 01:37

They won't be the first Green Party to tear themselves apart over identity politics and intersectionality. I would love someone to do an in depth examination of why this is happening to parties like this.

All of them, I think! Definitely happened in European, Australia, NZ and Canadian Greens.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/12/2025 01:46

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/12/2025 01:44

All of them, I think! Definitely happened in European, Australia, NZ and Canadian Greens.

And who could forget the shitshow that is the Scottish Green Party?

fromorbit · 13/12/2025 02:13

I totally agree with you.

We have to understand that much politics especially now is pretty emotional.

Most people have joined Greens for vibes stuff.. Polanski being a charismatic man, Gaza, fear of Reform, simplistic solutions like taxing rich. The gender stuff is way down the line.
Similar vibes based politics for Farage.

If we understand this though we have a chance to push things in the direction we want long term though.

For Hypno and other TAs, unlike a lot of his voters, gender stuff is absolutely essential. It is a core target. He will sacrifice his "socialist" agenda to get men in dresses, any men including rich ones, extra stuff.

We don't need to worry about convincing everyone not to vote Green because they think it will make their lives better. All we need to do is to trigger ZP into doing and saying things which divert from his popular policies, to get him talking about how the biggest issue in the UK right now is not the economy, crime or the environment, but that men in dresses can't do what they want.

To do this all women have to do is say things, have sports, etc. They have a big opportunity to trigger the crazy in the run up to the May elections by simply turning up at hustings, posting online and so on.

This might not lose them many votes at first, but the more we make them mad, the more unpopular we can make them over time.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/12/2025 02:39

I reckon his own members will do that job for him, as any hint that he’s not 100% going to be a gender zealot in ways he probably doesn’t even want to be will trigger a lot of pressure on him. From what I’ve seen of them on Twitter etc, many of them are utterly batshit.