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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

SNP LGBT "wing" say Sandie Peggie decision means trans women can use females facilities

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deadpan · 11/12/2025 16:07

OFI (Out For Independence) says the judges ruling in Sandies tribunal case means that trans people can carry on using facilities for the sex they want to be, not the sex they are. FFS

www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/sandie-peggie-ruling-backs-trans-access-to-female-spaces-says-snp-group-j2zfwsx9r

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deadpan · 12/12/2025 05:53

If a tree falls in a forest and no one's there to hear it did it make any sound
They really don't give a shite. Carry on lads it doesn't matter if you break the law, just so long as they don't realise.

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Datun · 12/12/2025 07:32

Carry on lads it doesn't matter if you break the law, just so long as they don't realise.

And even if they do, it doesn't matter as long as they shut up about it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/12/2025 08:03

FragilityOfCups · 11/12/2025 22:07

it's about the SC ruling and the principle that single sex spaces should be segregated on the basis of biological sex.

Yes - and a fair bit of the judgement WAS about the SC ruling and this principle.

This bit 'about' the SC ruling was very bizarre:
"... the decision states "Such women may in practice choose to use female-only facilities in a way which does not in fact compromise the privacy and dignity of other women users..." "

But the original version of that line from the actual SC decision is very different, saying “trans women” rather than “women”, and going on to make an extremely significant point about men without GRCs (like Upton) not being entitled to access female spaces, which the tribunal judge didn’t just edit out but also ignored in terms of his actual decision:

"Although such trans women may in practice choose to use female-only facilities in a way which does not in fact compromise the privacy and dignity of other women users, the Scottish Ministers do not suggest that a trans woman without a GRC is legally entitled to do so".

Surely even our most pig-headed critics (and trans Reddit is surely one, and they do) agree that the initial quoted section has a completely different meaning (and words) to the quote directly from the SC decision?

I think it’s beneficial that this is getting such an airing in the media as some TRAs and politicians have claimed that the SC ruling was nothing to do with toilets or changing rooms. Which is bollocks.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 12/12/2025 11:36

Datun · 12/12/2025 07:32

Carry on lads it doesn't matter if you break the law, just so long as they don't realise.

And even if they do, it doesn't matter as long as they shut up about it.

He Man Power GIF

That hope is pretty much over though.

Big Sond has provided the script. For at least as long as that judgment survives.

Formal complaint, (very politely worded like a good girl) and Invoke Article 8. Job done.

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