New Conservative proposals for UK grooming gangs inquiry

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"The Conservatives have said that the nationwide grooming gangs inquiry should be limited to two years and examine the ethnicity and religious background of offenders.

The establishment of a national inquiry has been dogged by rows about its scope and who should chair it, with a group of women quitting its victim liaison panel.

One of those survivors was with Tory leader Kemi Badenoch at her press conference on Monday.

A warning, this report contains disturbing details about sexual abuse."

https://www.channel4.com/news/new-conservative-proposals-for-uk-grooming-gangs-inquiry

and

https://www.channel4.com/news/kemi-badenoch-challenged-on-if-conservatives-did-enough-for-grooming-gang-victims

Justshilling, whatever. Labour’s now in charge. They’re responsible for answers.

@DenizenOfAisleOfShame yes, just like the conservatives were.Some perspective, Labour been in government, just over 1 year, the Conservatives 14 🤔

Just chilling, whatever.

And Labour for 13 years before that 😊 under whose watch most of the well known gangs flourished. How’s that for “perspective”?

@Ereshkigalangcleg Earlier you said, you won’t be engaging any further, you’d more than made your point😂 Breathe and let it go.

Some might wonder how it is exactly that the Tories never capitalised on this issue when in Government because it is true that this went on in predominantly Labour-led local authorities, and exposure of this scandal may have minimised Starmer's landslide if not eliminated it.

So why didn't they?

I'll point out that it was Labour led MPs like Ann Trevlyn (I think) and Sarah Champion who did try to expose it and got nowhere much, the local authorities ignored the former and she was forced to go on C4 News to expose it as a last resort. MPs often find they are not actually that powerful, in particular when set against local county councils who have an almost quasi-Masonic power if not actually Masonic power about the dirty local secrets that MPs prefer often to not know about, poking their nose in can get the Council's mates, the local police, breathing down their neck.

There's a quid pro quo going on - there are some areas of British life no MP wants to get involved in, and that is local authority corruption, MPs basically take the view, you just get on with it, it's outside our remit, we don't want to know.

Social Services were turning a blind eye to this issue and were complicit - I think it was a prostitution racket run on the cheap from the pov of the perps. But ask too many questions and Labour could then ask about euthanasia of the elderly in Tory-led councils like Surrey, another area where there is a code of silence.

@NewspaperTaxis
Thank you, that’s really informative.

Both parties failed these girls, still failing them. Putting ‘public harmony’ and community relations’ above these girls. Some
of the cases make for vile reading, that such a thing was allowed to happen because it would have seem ‘racist’ to intervene

@StrawberryShieldsForever completely agree.

Agree. The girls were dismissed because they were regarded by everyone, apart from a tenacious social worker whose name I can’t remember, as “white trash”. Nobody but nobody gave a damn about them. Deepest, vilest misogyny and classism in plain sight.

I hope there’s a national inquiry because as a country we need to acknowledge the dark underbelly of the misogyny and classism so rife and apparently so acceptable in the UK and really, properly, truly learn hard lessons and ensure no vulnerable girl is so cruelly exploited and failed by the system ever again.

@StrawberryShieldsForever I agree.

I am glad it is being discussed by MPs and kept in the public eye. It doesn’t matter who is discussing it. There would be nothing to discuss had authorities done their job properly and had these ‘men’ not thought it was acceptable to rape and torture children.

Braverman comments on grooming gang men were said to be a dogwhistle by Tracy Brabin (Labour) a few years ago. So other Conservative MPs have highlighted it but I don’t think anywhere near enough was done.

I still do not understand how it is acceptable to discuss raping children with your relatives. Is it discussed in front of wives and daughters? Are they at risk too? We need to understand how this is apparently acceptable behaviour to numerous families all over the U.K.

Only this week the express reported ‘EXCLUSIVE: A shocking breach in the UK social care sector has surfaced, as relatives of grooming-gang members allegedly bypass security checks to access vulnerable children.’

And some people may slate the Express or The Telegraph but if the other papers and channels are not happy to really discuss the matter then fair play to the papers that are brave enough to cover it. Again why are papers not covering a national scandal? Why is it barely mentioned on Mumsnet?

Rupert Lowe is the most vocal MP and his public fundraiser for a private investigation / inquiry seems to be proceeding at a reasonable pace. The parliamentary standards watchdogs attempt to shut this down by stating donations were not declared in time (when actually he had until 21st July to comply) shows the Government have no real desire to open this can of worms.

It won’t have the reach or powers of the government but it suggests it occurred in 85 areas and is still happening.

The recent announcement of the chair for the government inquiry and the three year timeline combined with the dates being investigated suggests another government cover up. So I think keeping this in the public eye is a good thing. Why wouldn’t we want to know why authorities covered it up and who covered it up? It’s a disgrace. I think it’s good the world is now watching the UK on this.

What adults would allow the mass rape of children and then try to hide it? It’s really grim. Why would they ever cover up for rapists? Why do people still want this matter to just go away?

If authorities, counsellors, social services, MPs etc can cover up the mass rape of children what else are they hiding? Prison sentences should be given to those involved in the rape, cover up and those who failed to report the rapists. Rapists, Family members and authority figures. It’s a grim part of our history and sunlight is the best form of disinfectant.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2142182/relatives-grooming-gang-members-infiltrating-uk

This is really worrying. recruitment was only stopped because a staff member recognised the applicant from a TV programme.

It is worth reading.

Informative? It's paranoid. There isn't a conspiracy. Anyone who's worked in government will tell you its not got the capacity to run a conspiracy, basic services are a struggle!

It's sexism and classism. Institutional prejudice against women and poor people. It's runs riot through our culture, economy, and services. Women enforce it too, look at the judgemental comments on mumsnet, particularly against poorer or disabled women. The victims and survivors just weren't worth bothering with, by any institution.

Extremely concerning.

yes, but then you made a further ridiculous comment I felt I needed to reply to 🤷‍♀️ my prerogative 😊

I don't see that it's particularly paranoid and I don't see that what I've said is at all unlikely compared to the other scandals that have gone on - the Post Office scandal, the Contaminated Blood scandal, Stakeknife and so on. It's called a conspiracy of silence - surely you have heard of that?

Local authorities don't like having their dirty laundry aired and to some extent, secrets become a form of currency - if you can keep them, you are a safe pair of hands, and if you go public you are a whistleblower who should be hounded out of that organisation and rendered unemployable in that sector. None of this is exactly news is it.

Labour and the wokes will not have it they have been defencing this for years
All Muslims (because that is the majority of this) are all lovely people
If you complain about anything they do you must be a swivel eyed racist
Kids safety does not matter

The last 15 years has shown that all too clearly, yes. A plague upon both their houses.

I would imagine it’s about learning about the issues within a community. It’s been ignored for years.

‘MyDarlingWhatIfYouFly · Yesterday 01:50
What is the purpose of determining the grooming gangs ethnicity/ religion - what will they actually do with that information?’

Also - What’s the problem with recording the data?
Why should this information be hidden?

I have to record so much of my data just to report a crime online.

If the police and social services disregarded the actions of abusers because of their ethnic or religious identity then it is most certainly relevant.

This young girl in Bradford, was raped at the age of 13, by one of the Pakistani Muslim gang, she had his child at 15, then was forced into an Islamic marriage to him, with her male social worker present at the ceremony. The male social worker Anwar Meah is also a Muslim. How could this have happened, with so many people being involved and aware of the situation. The social worker should be put in prison for colluding in child rape and the illegal marriage of a minor. How are people ignoring this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89ezepnj0jo

Anyone who thinks ethnicity is not important, needs to look at this list of perpetrators from the Bradford case, bearing in mind this is just scratching the surface, with hundreds of men involved and scores of victims.

In total, eight men have been convicted at Bradford Crown Court in connection with the victim's sexual abuse:
Raja Zulqurnean 43, of Bradford, was found guilty of 10 rapes and nine indecent assaults and was sentenced to 23 years in jail
Basharat Khaliq, 45, of Bradford, was found guilty of three rapes and four counts of indecent assault and awaits sentencing
Mohammed Naheem, 39, of Bradford, was found guilty of three counts of indecent assault and awaits sentencing
Safraz Ahmed Latif, 40, of Bradford, was found guilty of four indecent assaults and awaits sentencing
Wajid Hussain, 42, of Bradford, was found guilty of indecent assault and awaits sentencing
Nadeem Ali, 39, of Bradford, was found guilty of two counts of indecent assault and awaits sentencing
Mohammed Imran Akram, 43, of Bradford, was found guilty of two counts of indecent assault and awaits sentencing
Mohammed Shezhad Hussain, 39, of Keighley, was found guilty of one rape and two counts of indecent assault and awaits sentencing

That’s horrific.