Is anyone else starting to doubt their own sanity?

[TheNightingalesStarling]

For days now, every time I go online its "bigots, transphobes, there is no safeguarding issue, bullies, preying on lost vulnerable etc".

Even people i thought were intelligent.

I'm starting to doubt my sanity. Even though people would look at you if you were mad if you said something like "why do schools need separate changing rooms for PE" or "Of course id let my 15yo have a sleepover in a tent with one boy".

I'm seeing articles about how peoples brains are different. Suggesting that all women think the same way.

I'm wondering if these people would say the same if it was their teen daughter upset... or would they be saying "there's nothing to upset about".

You're sane. The people you see repeating this crap are unthinkingly mouthing the mantras they think will mean they're seen as "good people".

Yes, I know some very devout believers, and every now and again, I ask myself Cromwell's question: I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken?

And then I think: nope.

But it doesn't even matter if I'm wrong. A secular society must accommodate people with different beliefs as far as practicable. I shouldn't be forced to share a changing room with a transwoman any more than I should be allowed to sack my Muslim employee for refusing to man the bacon slicer.

I'm not wrong though.

I think we've all been there, watching and listening aghast as ppl who should know better eg doctors, academics, teachers solemnly intone that TWAW and eg a women with disabilities not wanting a TW to do their intimate personal care is a bigot

they don't really think TW are actually women of course otherwise they'd be ignoring them, they just parrot it because they're too stupid to reason out the consequences to the end of the statement, to scared yo disagree or have the chilling effect of having a relative who identifies as trans

Just remember, it's then, not you.

I am also struggling to understand why there are so many people are pretending they can't see what's right in front of them.

If it becomes compulsory to join one of these weird belief cults, I'll be in the queue for flat earth. At least then I could honestly say I've never seen earth from outer space with my own eyes and photos can be manipulated, but I can't get on board ever with gender ideology as I can tell by myself who's male and who's female and fully understand the problems and safety issues that result from saying men can be women....

There's nothing wrong with you. What's wrong is that "transphobia" simply means "not walking on eggshells around trans people, and not instantly acceding to whatever they demand." I was abused as a kid, and I recognise this dynamic for what it is: people fawning or freezing to placate abusers. It pisses me off that all this is supposedly happening in my name 😡I don't want this, and nobody needs this! Pretending otherwise is a lie, pure and simple.

The GG and WI decision has stirred the bees nest hard this week; it's starting to sink in that women having their own provisions is real and going to happen. This has always been a very, very noisy minority and the capture of the lanyard class, but one by one groups are quietly checking their own legal situations and having to acknowledge that women have legal rights too.

Bear in mind that the other POV is still just not allowed, in the media, online outside of this space, the heresy is banned so all you will hear is one side going unchallenged.

Not as much as I did two or three years ago because the tide is definitely turning.

I am seeing this, too. People I had previously thought to be sane abd sensible, posting stuff about being kind to "trans and intersex people".

Argh.

It's like lancing a boil. All the crap is coming out. Hopefully everyone will settle down soon. It does seem like everyone has gone insane though.

Blows my mind. Along with the thought terminating ‘it’s cis men not trans women that are the problem!’. I saw a great meme I wish I’d saved, four pictures of the same big hulk of a bearded guy, the first three had ‘not ok’ underneath but the last one had a dress on, that was the only difference and it had ‘ok’ underneath. Summed up this ridiculous ideology perfectly.

You are all right.

I work with children. This has included trans-identifying children. None of them think people actually change sex... just that they want to be seen that way.

I'm just remembering also there's probably plenty thinking this way but are too scared for their jobs etc to actually say so.

I’ve had to snooze one long standing friend on FB. Lots of posting about how she has no problem changing with transwomen and cannot/will not see that it is perfectly reasonable for other women to have a different position. She has got quite a few trans friends posting their agreement on her ranty posts about GG and WI, so I’m leaving them to it. I tried posting the mildest comment on her posts about the SC ruling (something about being pleased for women’s sports post FWS) and another friend pasted something about it being good that transmen retained maternity protections but we got bluntly told we don’t know what we’re talking about. At least I found out the other friend is a closet terf too, so that’s one silver lining.

On the one hand, I’ve no problem being GC in public but on the other this is a long standing friend who I like very much and agree with on many things outside this topic. I don’t want to fall out with her, but the emotional responses on FB mean it’s impossible to have a rational conversation where we could share our views then agree to disagree. I suspect something like this is the reason so many of us stay quiet - it only takes one very vocal TRA supporter in your social circle to ensure everyone else stays schtum to retain the peace.

I agree OP. In particular, the reaction of some to the Girlguiding decision to end their policy of allowing boys who wish they were girls to join has hit me for six. I knew that Guides HQ were captured and that the usual suspects had been involved in developing policies that weren't compliant with the Equality Act. I also knew that some Brownies, Guides and Rangers had been marching in local Pride events. What I didn't realise was how different the culture within the Guiding movement once was. Some Leaders, parents and young people appear to think that their championing of QT+ issues, attendance at Pride etc, and supporting gender confused boys and young men is why the organisation was set up in the first place. Very little concern about the actual girls who are involved, who are understandably - because of the extent of the mission drift - confused and hurt by what is going on. They need a root and branch review and reset.

Some parents don't get the issues at all and some volunteers and leaders seem to think Guiding exists to validate their trans offspring or the vulnerable young men they have 'rescued' by pretending that they were ever eligible to be members of a designated single-sex organisation. So many children have become indoctrinated. I really don't understand why Brownies and Guides would be attending events centred on adult sexuality as representatives of an organisation. If their families want to take them along fair enough, but how have they been able to justify the cult-like indoctrination of young girls and teenagers. The power of female socialisation is as strong as ever. Seeing and hearing it all has been like going back in time - and yes, it has made me question my sanity at times. But it really is them, not us, who have lost the plot.

No, but I am seriously starting to doubt other people's sanity!

About 10 years ago when I began to take more interest in all this, I thought "this ideology will never seriously take hold because everyone knows what women and men are. How can you argue against biology and common sense?"

I honestly never thought people would take leave of their senses in this way.

On the one hand, I’ve no problem being GC in public but on the other this is a long standing friend who I like very much and agree with on many things outside this topic. I don’t want to fall out with her, but the emotional responses on FB mean it’s impossible to have a rational conversation where we could share our views then agree to disagree. I suspect something like this is the reason so many of us stay quiet - it only takes one very vocal TRA supporter in your social circle to ensure everyone else stays schtum to retain the peace.

So true, that.

I've had to unfriend people on Facebook on this. But I've also seen news stories pop up on my feed from news publications, and I've been surprised at how many people commenting are still buying into the trans nonsense. It's at odds with the opinion polls, which show the majority of people support keeping single-sex spaces women only.

It is dispiriting when you see supposedly intelligent people peddling such a ludicrous ideology. The important thing to remember about gender ideology is that it's both profoundly stupid and profoundly unethical, so you'd assume that even if people don't understand the moral objections, they'd understand the intellectual ones, and vice versa, but it seems there's a whole bunch of people out there who lack the capacity to reason either intellectually or morally.

They need a root and branch review and reset.

I don't want to derail the thread because it's so interesting, but I just have to say i agree with you @EnfysPreseli

If the GG and WI leaders are not supportive of single sex organisations, they have to go. As my ex-employer said when they made a load of people redundant "difficult decisions have to be made".

I'm seeing articles about how peoples brains are different. Suggesting that all women think the same way.

Yet they call us the regressive ones whilst spouting ignorant nonsense that was peddled over a century ago to deny women the vote.

This is one of many reasons why history education is so important.

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I think the GG and WI announcements this week have been really unhelpful in how they’ve been reported. I’m a leader in Scouting and two of my fellow leaders have brought it up and said they’re shocked and disagree with GG but when I’ve explained that trans girls who ID as male are still welcome in Guides and that if there are boys who are IDing as girls that they can’t safeguard effectively they’ve then had a very different opinion. They didn’t know what was actually happening because the reporting just tended to say “trans kids banned from GG”.

I agree Jeannie.
The TRAs have seized on it to make themselves look so oppressed. Meanwhile everyone forgets about the girls. Again.

I've not RTFT yet but wanted to comment and share one of the ways I've helped myself stay sane...

I've been reading dystopian novels. I find it really cathartic (and also an enjoyable read) to recognise that the madness that's going on IRL is just as bonkers as in these worlds. It helps me to make sense of how we got here. But unlike these novels, where the clever ones who can see what's really going on generally don't come off well in the end, I do have confidence that we'll end up with an Emperor's New Clothes ending instead IRL. More and more people are waking up from the hypnotic mantras of the Be Kind agenda because it's becoming increasingly obvious that it really is the opposite of kindness. I mean, we're about to start another round of childhood medical experimentation... and it's somehow OK because we're gathering data on the impact on their brains and bodies. WTAF?! It's so obviously Mengele-aligned.... he was great at collecting data on his childhood experiments too.

I'm currently reading Brave New World - no spoilers please! - and the parallel with the hypopaedic messaging in it is astounding. In the book, messages are played every night to children so that as they grow up, they absorb the mantras and end up believing that their thoughts and beliefs are their own, from their own free will.

In the real world, we're absorbing the mantras of gender identity while awake but the impact is the same. We're getting them in schools and workplaces. Every message is telling us that there is a marginalised community who are at risk of suicide if we're not kind to them... So....

"TWAW and anyone who says otherwise is a nasty, raging, pearl-clutching right wing bigot who doesn't understand the world as it is today. They need to Be Kind and we need to stand in solidarity as allies so that their hate can't be spread etc etc.."

Or not. FFS.

I'm now actually seeing plenty of challenging going on. It's changed a LOT on SM just in this last year
And the more people challenging it, the more will feel empowered to join in.

Where's the naked woman in the man's mind? (Or naked man in some cases I guess) and the enlarged image of his own penis?

Yes me too. Even on the Independent’s Facebook page there were lots of people who agreed with GG and the WI. And they were getting lots of thumbs up. It used to be no-one dared to question the mantras, so there is definitely progress.

No.

I do fear for the sanity of many others though. It feels like a collective brainwashing, particularly of lazy thinkers.

From the beginning I took care to read lots of articles and arguments from the other side. They only served to make me more confident that I was right and they were wrong, lying manipulating.

The more we all talk about it and explain the facts and correct the harm done by manipulative use of language, the more people will see the truth.