Councillors discuss why they shouldn’t use the word women

[Justme56]

https://kenilworth.nub.news/news/local-news/political-row-over-trans-friendly-term-that-is-gods-gift-to-reform-281277

The UK has gone totally mad

"Cllr Melrose said: "How the debate has gone saddens me.
"We came with the intention (of helping) people in temporary accommodation, vulnerable people, children, and I will say pregnant people because that is the correct terminology."

It's the 'correct' terminology if you want to pretend that there is no way to link the needs of the kind of person who might become pregnant, is pregnant, or has been pregnant. In other words if you are an old fashioned men's rights activist.

Cllr Dickson, who in introducing the motion referred to her experiences as a midwife, replied: "I'm sorry, I couldn't agree with an amendment that changed the wording of that.
"I am looking after pregnant people, people identify as different genders so I am afraid I can't."

Wouldn't it be great if we had a word that implied nothing about somebody's identity, but simply referred to their female physiology. It would be great because then those people could organise and protect their rights.

Not as mad as many other countries (clutching!)

I wish we could just go back to butch and femme or masculine, feminine and androgynous and leave the trans bit out altogether. We never needed such a word in the first place.

FFS. Did any of them care about raped girls 20 years ago when the wording would undoubtedly have been "pregnant women".

I respectfully disagree. Transvestite has always referred to men. Generally *cross dressers. Those men getting a sexual thrill from it, which we now know is AGP.

The odd woman dressing like a male would not be a transvestite. As for the new fad of such girls or women, that’s mostly social contagion, which is dying out, those females are generally lesbians.

I used to feel sorry for transvestites, now I know what AGP is, what men will do, especially the harrowing tales from trans widows…. the hatred of women, the cover ups of paedophila, the invasion of women’s safe spaces, the gaslighting of children.

not * referring to drag queens who are mostly homosexual men, with some transsexuals.

This

Yup

Men and women covers everyone so I just use that.

but presumably not in the context of pregnancy!

Oh fuck off.

Is the extent of the response I can muster.

I think it’s also the case that when people talk about “trans” or “trans people” or “trans folx” (🤢) they’re either hiding the fact that these are VERY different people - they’re all either male or female, for a start - or they really mean men.

Any time there’s talk about a “trans ban” they mean men & boys not getting to take stuff from women & girls.

Oh give over, no they are not. And before you spout off about how women wear men's trousers, women don't wear clothes of the opposite gender to get their rocks off. Women also wear trousers specifically cut/fit to the female form whereas Transvestites LITERALLY wear women's clothing. They don't pick dresses tailored to men's bodies, they squeeze themselves into ACTUAL women's clothes.

The mental gymnastics Trans supporters will play in order to make out that men and women are similar in this regard is absolutely mental. You do actually understand that Transvestishism is a paraphaelia right? It's not just about wearing the opposite genders clothes, it's about being sexually excited OVER wearing the clothes.

The 'it's just clothes' crowd do my fucking head in. Either you're being deliberately obtuse, or you're really not as clued up on this stuff as you think you are and are therefore unfit to have such an in depth debate.

Cllr Dan Browne, chair of Warwickshire Pride, offered his support. "If people think it is woke, perhaps they should look at what the word woke means – I am happily woke and will stay woke," he said. "It is not just cisgender women (female from birth) who can become pregnant, there are transgender men who have the ability to become pregnant so I think it is vital that we take an inclusive approach and include pregnant people."

FFS. Not a single human being has ever been born from the womb of a male, because that is physiologically impossible. A woman can call herself a man as much as she likes, but if she becomes pregnant and gives birth that is categorical proof that she is female. As has been said millions of times before, why would she want to go through pregnancy and birth if she identifies as male? What does it mean to identify as male, in any case? Having short hair, not wearing heels and make-up, using a male or not obviously female name, not wearing dresses? A great many of us manage to do some or all of those things without asking everybody else to play let's pretend.

Eh? Only women get pregnant.
Any conversation about pregnant men is not one I’m ever going to partake in, it’s pure fantasy.

Grammarnut isn't a trans supporter, IIRC.

I don't believe it's possible now for women to be transvestites because a century or more ago the women of the day, or some of them anyway, managed to change the longstanding tradition that women and girls had to have long hair and wear ankle length skirts/dresses. They won a great victory for common sense and practicality and now women in this country and most other wealthy nations can mostly wear what we like. Men still can't.

There's an obvious parallel with names. Baby boys are never given a name that's mostly used for girls, but girls do sometimes get a name that up to then has mostly been for boys. If that becomes a trend, it very rapidly stops being used for boys at all. Evelyn and Aubrey are examples that come to mind.

perhaps they should look at what the word woke means

I do agree that people are misled when this kind of policy is described as 'woke'. Regressive, sexist, misogynist, back in the dark ages male chauvinist would be more accurate.

Do you have a source for the pedophilia thing?

I honestly don’t know why we just don’t start referring to people by their bodily functions more regularly. Cllr Dan Browne (a person who produces sperm) would seem highly appropriate.

The Sperminator.

Yes.

The whole twattyness of pretending anyone other than a woman can have a baby is insane.
The whole gender woo is strong in the NHS which should rely on sex not gender for medical treatment.

No as in the words I use to describe humans.

Yes exactly

I am a GC feminist (I suspect from my views on porn, prostitution and sexuality a radical feminist). Afaik, certainly in the past Lesbians used male clothes and were called transvestites/cross dressers. Usually it was entirely obvious that they were women in men's clothes. Women who disguised their sex for various reasons (safety, wanting a career/job only men could do etc) are, of course, an entirely different matter and nothing to do with transvestism or transgenderism.
I am aware that transvestism and AGP are both male paraphilias (and men are as a sex prone to both paraphilias and fetishes whilst women are not or certainly much less so) which have fed into the nonsense of gender ideology.
I was merely making the mild point that some women dress as men for a variety of reasons - and not all of those reasons (as I have said) are much to do with transvestism - and sometimes that is called transvestism.
I am also not of the 'it's only clothes' brigade and object to men wearing women's clothing for any reason (tho' I exempt the British tradition of pantomime dames on cultural/historic grounds). If they want to wear a skirt buy a kilt or one of the many varieties of kaftans.
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