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Brewdug · 2025-11-27T00:26:24+00:00

This podcast appeared in my feed today via an affiliated show… I know it is naive but it’s still hard to believe how blinkered - and unbearably smug the US liberal wing is on this. This is rubbish ( from the ‘Center for Investigative Reporting’, which I now wouldn’t trust to tell me if it was raining), but still enlightening… wondered if anyone else had heard it. A six month dig to discredit Gaines - we’re not supposed to notice that everyone they’re trying to gotcha in this won’t dignify any of it - that finds her hiding (spoiler alert) nothing? [[https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/what-is-riley-gaines-hiding-we-investigated/id886009669?i=1000738472306 https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/reveal/id886009669?i=1000738472306]]

SionnachRuadh · 04/12/2025 22:10

Legobricksinatub · 04/12/2025 22:04

They are currently in much more of a minority.

But do not forget 9/11 was an attack by Muslims.

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Arab nationalism in Dearborn is a thing. But it's interesting that US conservative media have to go to Dearborn, the only Arab-majority city in America, to find actual working class punters demonstrating solidarity with Hamas.

Outside of Dearborn, pro-Hamas demos are usually to be found at elite universities, and are much less prevalent among Pakistani taxi drivers in Jersey City or similar.

Carla786 · 04/12/2025 22:27

SionnachRuadh · 04/12/2025 22:10

Arab nationalism in Dearborn is a thing. But it's interesting that US conservative media have to go to Dearborn, the only Arab-majority city in America, to find actual working class punters demonstrating solidarity with Hamas.

Outside of Dearborn, pro-Hamas demos are usually to be found at elite universities, and are much less prevalent among Pakistani taxi drivers in Jersey City or similar.

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Thanks for the info, that's very disturbing. I imagined there might be some pan-Arab solidarity views and sympathy for Palestinians but didn't think that would translate for many into support for Hamas.

As you say, hopefully these views are not common in other states/cities.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/12/2025 22:27

Carla786 · 04/12/2025 21:46

I disagree with people who use Gaines' other views to discredit her GC activism. Same with Kemi. And who say that voting for a certain politician is taboo even if the other side is TWAW.

Legitimate criticism and measured support is different from that. Suppressing & ignoring legitimate criticism is wrong.

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That's basically what I'm saying.

Carla786 · 04/12/2025 22:32

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/12/2025 22:27

That's basically what I'm saying.

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Agreed.

I was thinking: on the Kemi issue, I had the impression Starmer does seem to have come round on GC issues. I mean, we got the puberty blocker ban, afaik he hasn't criticised the Supreme Court decision, Streeting seems GC, and Starmer is close to Blue Labour who are definitely GC.

Or have I missed TWAW stuff he's backed? He seems very unpopular on trans UK subreddit, they call him 'Kid Starver' for banning puberty blockers. 🙄 Not sure how reliable that is since the only person TWAW enough for them is Sultana (and maybe Polanski-even the Greens are too transphobic for some)

TortillaKitty · 04/12/2025 22:52

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/12/2025 12:02

Go back to my original point:

Gaines has carried out what many would argue is valuable work, namely creating a new citizen for her country. It's pretty shit for an elected representative of that country to trash talk her for not having a conventional job

It is inappropriate for an elected representative to trash talk a new mother for not having a paid job, because that mother's new baby is a new citizen of the country that the representative serves and not just a lifestyle choice for that mother. From the perspective of the country's State apparatus, which AOC has chosen to be part of, that mother has done valuable work. Those who study Marxism and the history of countries as varied as Romania, who decided that women needed to have more children, and China, who decided that women were having too many and then later changed their minds, realise this.

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Still can’t answer then?

TortillaKitty · 04/12/2025 22:59

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/12/2025 12:13

You assume that Gaines is acting under orders and not just posting about something that interests her. Have you never heard of things "going viral" and hitting a lot of people's consciousness at the same time?

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Yes, she is. She works with/for the GOP, TPUSA, Fox News, and receives funds from various right-wing sources. How do you think things or particular statements go viral to begin with? Every single day, both parties send out issues of importance they want their pundits to highlight on X. You didn’t know this?

SionnachRuadh · 04/12/2025 23:04

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/12/2025 12:13

You assume that Gaines is acting under orders and not just posting about something that interests her. Have you never heard of things "going viral" and hitting a lot of people's consciousness at the same time?

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It's very much the same as that Mother Jones illustration. The idea is that she's some blank-eyed Stepford Wife without any thoughts of her own, who just regurgitates talking points fed to her by her EVIL PUPPET MASTERS.

This is never assumed of women representing the Blue Tribe.

TortillaKitty · 04/12/2025 23:06

Carla786 · 04/12/2025 21:51

Destroyed by Islam? US Muslims are much moderate than UK ones. Seems an odd thing to say.

Can you link?

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This is an image of her tweet.

What is Riley Gaines hiding? We investigated…

TortillaKitty · 04/12/2025 23:10

Carla786 · 04/12/2025 21:44

But as you said yourself, many of those posters do agree with Gaines' GC stance, they don't think she's in the wrong on that issue.

I agree with what you say about the dangers of tribalism. If I were in the US, I would unhappily vote Trump simply because of this issue as well as borders.

But I don't see at all what's wrong with a measured critique/wariness of Gaines' other views & associations, eg. Pro-life activism, evangelical zeal about 'spiritual warfare'.

This feels like a weaker version of the frustration I feel about reactions on here often to even mild criticism of KJK. (I've never been convinced that, moral questions aside, associating with white nationalists like Gariepy was helpful in practical terms to the GC movement).
You can acknowledge someone's heroism while thinking it's unhealthy if any criticism of them is automatically unwelcome. Lots of movements have had this weakness. Eg. After achieving their goal, Solidarity and the Indian National Congress both kept on leaders (Walesa, Nehru) who it might have been better not to, because their heroic status was such that criticism was discouraged. Or the heroism of Emmeline & Christabel Pankhurst made it hard for people to criticise their slide towards militancy.

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And I do have no issue at all with her GC activism. I think that’s amazing.

SionnachRuadh · 04/12/2025 23:10

TortillaKitty · 04/12/2025 23:06

This is an image of her tweet.

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Wild that you make this a defence of Sandy Cortez, whose position is that men are more than welcome in women's sports.

TortillaKitty · 04/12/2025 23:15

Carla786 · 04/12/2025 21:50

I've been on previous threads, and while some criticism was empty-headed like that, others acknowledged RG was brave and right about gender while criticising other aspects of her public activism.

Would you call AOC a shill? She's obviously making money from politics but I think she says what she personally believes (which is nutty most of the time). I imagine that wherever she gets her money, Gaines probably is equally sincere about her views.

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I would not call AOC a shill simply because she is a politician and elected representative, has studied politics - this is her position.

Gaines is happy, on occasion, spreading misinformation for Trump. So - a shill.

TortillaKitty · 04/12/2025 23:18

SionnachRuadh · 04/12/2025 23:10

Wild that you make this a defence of Sandy Cortez, whose position is that men are more than welcome in women's sports.

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Wild that you think I should respond to you seriously, when you are calling the person in question ‘Sandy Cortez’. Isn’t there another thread going at the moment about the treatment of women in politics?

TortillaKitty · 04/12/2025 23:20

SionnachRuadh · 04/12/2025 23:04

It's very much the same as that Mother Jones illustration. The idea is that she's some blank-eyed Stepford Wife without any thoughts of her own, who just regurgitates talking points fed to her by her EVIL PUPPET MASTERS.

This is never assumed of women representing the Blue Tribe.

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Learn to read properly. Just a post or so above where I speak of both parties.

SionnachRuadh · 04/12/2025 23:26

I just want to say, because @TortillaKitty may have missed it, that I've recently been involved in other discussions of political tribalism. Notably, when I mention that Zarah Sultana chooses to ally herself with literal rape enablers, this is met with a wall of sarcasm, because who could possibly have an issue with the People's Zarah? Clearly you must be a right wing shill if you're criticising Zarah.

Now perhaps do that again without the condescension. I'm not saying you're a defender of Martin Smith, I'm just saying I'm very familiar with the style.

Carla786 · 04/12/2025 23:28

TortillaKitty · 04/12/2025 23:06

This is an image of her tweet.

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How is this saying that Muslims are the enemy?

Carla786 · 04/12/2025 23:29

SionnachRuadh · 04/12/2025 23:26

I just want to say, because @TortillaKitty may have missed it, that I've recently been involved in other discussions of political tribalism. Notably, when I mention that Zarah Sultana chooses to ally herself with literal rape enablers, this is met with a wall of sarcasm, because who could possibly have an issue with the People's Zarah? Clearly you must be a right wing shill if you're criticising Zarah.

Now perhaps do that again without the condescension. I'm not saying you're a defender of Martin Smith, I'm just saying I'm very familiar with the style.

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Who are these people who defend Zarah Sultana of all people? Young wokesters? Older SWP devotees?

TortillaKitty · 05/12/2025 00:57

Carla786 · 04/12/2025 23:28

How is this saying that Muslims are the enemy?

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The image and the message “We’re being destroyed from within” implies the Democrats’ support of Mamdani - who Republicans were representing as a radical Islamic Communist - meant either Islamic or Communist takeover of the left. Republicans have consistently painted Islam as radical, and their campaign against Mamdani was no different.

TortillaKitty · 05/12/2025 00:58

SionnachRuadh · 04/12/2025 23:26

I just want to say, because @TortillaKitty may have missed it, that I've recently been involved in other discussions of political tribalism. Notably, when I mention that Zarah Sultana chooses to ally herself with literal rape enablers, this is met with a wall of sarcasm, because who could possibly have an issue with the People's Zarah? Clearly you must be a right wing shill if you're criticising Zarah.

Now perhaps do that again without the condescension. I'm not saying you're a defender of Martin Smith, I'm just saying I'm very familiar with the style.

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WTF?

ThatBlackCat · 05/12/2025 05:55

TortillaKitty · 04/12/2025 09:20

Uh huh.

Perhaps you’ve forgotten she’s a paid Republican shill. AOC was doing normal political stuff, you know, campaigning. Gaines implied that the US was being destroyed by Islam with the help of AOC and Bernie Sanders. There was nothing I’m-just-a-concerned-citizen-here about it.

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So does that make AOC a paid Democratic shill?

The point is Gaines posted a news photo and didn't even refer to AOC and '@' her. If AOC is so thin-skinned she needs to lash out like that, to the extent she personally attacks Gaines then she has no business holding public office.

It really is as simple as that.

AOC shouldn't start shit and not expect it back.

ThatBlackCat · 05/12/2025 05:58

TortillaKitty · 04/12/2025 10:01

But In this instance, she’s hardly an innocent bystander just making a comment, is she? She’s falling into line with the rest of the Republican activists when told to make X posts against the election of Mamdani. I don’t care about tradwives nor comparisons to career women. That doesn’t interest me.

I have no issue with her sporting activism. None. The rest of it? Not as much.

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when told to make X posts against the election of Mamdani

What? What makes you think she is 'told' to do anything? You honestly think she doesn't have a mind of her own, is passionately holding beliefs, and is politically engaging on X just like everyone else?

I have no issue with her sporting activism. None. The rest of it? Not as much.

In other words, sports people should keep to their own brief and not participate in political life at all, right? You realise she is a citizen and has as much right to participate in discussion of current affairs as does a dancer, singer, actor, butcher, bar attendant, teacher, lawyer, neurosurgeon, shop keeper or someone on benefits?

I wonder if she advocated for the Democrats you would hold your same 'sportspeople should not talk about anything other than sports' view.

ThatBlackCat · 05/12/2025 06:09

TortillaKitty · 04/12/2025 22:59

Yes, she is. She works with/for the GOP, TPUSA, Fox News, and receives funds from various right-wing sources. How do you think things or particular statements go viral to begin with? Every single day, both parties send out issues of importance they want their pundits to highlight on X. You didn’t know this?

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Doing interviews does not equate to her being told to tweet on X. You are way over-stretching and being ridiculous. She is not a politician! You act like she is a Republican politician with orders from the leader. She supports them, that's all.

ThatBlackCat · 05/12/2025 06:13

TortillaKitty · 04/12/2025 23:15

I would not call AOC a shill simply because she is a politician and elected representative, has studied politics - this is her position.

Gaines is happy, on occasion, spreading misinformation for Trump. So - a shill.

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So it does come down to your biased, blinkered beliefs.

AOC - good.
Gaines - bad because she supports Trump.

Trump is a politician and elected representative, and has obviously studied politics. It's his job.

Admit this is about 'sides'. You think Gaines doesn't have a mind of her own BECAUSE she is Republican. You're simply closed-minded and biased.

Gaines clearly has studied politics and is passionately engaged, and passionately believes in her views. Yet you think she is 'given orders' and AOC isn't. Your position is batshit crazy ridiculous. Surely you must know how ridiculous you sound. You're embarrassing yourself.

oldtiredcyclist · 05/12/2025 06:37

TortillaKitty · 04/12/2025 23:06

This is an image of her tweet.

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So, we have some random woman, suggesting that Gaines only has to try harder and swim faster to beat a biological male - wow! I know whose side I am on and it isn't the random woman.

TortillaKitty · 05/12/2025 07:21

ThatBlackCat · 05/12/2025 06:13

So it does come down to your biased, blinkered beliefs.

AOC - good.
Gaines - bad because she supports Trump.

Trump is a politician and elected representative, and has obviously studied politics. It's his job.

Admit this is about 'sides'. You think Gaines doesn't have a mind of her own BECAUSE she is Republican. You're simply closed-minded and biased.

Gaines clearly has studied politics and is passionately engaged, and passionately believes in her views. Yet you think she is 'given orders' and AOC isn't. Your position is batshit crazy ridiculous. Surely you must know how ridiculous you sound. You're embarrassing yourself.

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Gosh. Your posts are almost identical to some others’ on here. Please read back a page or so for my replies to those.

TortillaKitty · 05/12/2025 07:24

ThatBlackCat · 05/12/2025 06:13

So it does come down to your biased, blinkered beliefs.

AOC - good.
Gaines - bad because she supports Trump.

Trump is a politician and elected representative, and has obviously studied politics. It's his job.

Admit this is about 'sides'. You think Gaines doesn't have a mind of her own BECAUSE she is Republican. You're simply closed-minded and biased.

Gaines clearly has studied politics and is passionately engaged, and passionately believes in her views. Yet you think she is 'given orders' and AOC isn't. Your position is batshit crazy ridiculous. Surely you must know how ridiculous you sound. You're embarrassing yourself.

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BTW - you sound ridiculous for two reasons: the first due to you can’t even be bothered to read back even a page, and the second, because you truly believe pundits like Gaines aren’t told what to tweet.