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Largesso · 20/11/2025 07:32

NebulousProfessorSupportPostcard · 20/11/2025 03:18

@SexRealistic This is probably aready known to you all there at the tribunal but am tagging you just in case and putting links and quotes in one place.

I am not going to obscure the names of the service user complainant because the court hasn't made an anonymity order and I think it is relevant to name them in order to point out the discrepancy between what was advertised to the public in 2021, and what the complainant Caleb described in the email complaint in 2023.

This is a link to an archived version of Outburst's November 2021 Festival program that I think the complainant Caleb J Roberts referred to in the complaint of 7 July 2023 https://outburstarts.com/2020/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Outburst-2021-PDF-Programme.pdf

The publicly available programme said:

We are so excited to present the world premiere of a brand new queer short film from Belfast based trans director Caleb J. Roberts

... Caleb and his team will join us to introduce the film...

...when Monday 15th November, 6:00pm
...where QFT
...tickets FREE, booking essential

And this seems to directly contradict the evidence given by Caleb J Roberts in the July 2023 witness statement posted on twitter by Nick Wallis (https://x.com/nickwallis/status/1991119190665650465?s=20):

"At the Belfast Film Festival in November 2022 - during the after-screening drinks of Ballywalter in the Cineworld foyer, I was approached by Sara Morrison. ...She also alluded to the fact that she had my film removed from competition by alerting the programmers to a private screening that Homebird had for cast and crew in the QFT a year prior, with our co-founder Outburst Arts - but I don't know if she had the power to do this or if she was just saying this to be oddly antagonistic."

The screening of Homebird a year prior can't have been just a private screening for cast and crew, because it was advertised to the public as a free ticketed event, and some of the cast and crew, including Caleb, were billed as being there specifically to introduce the film to that public audience. Even if no-one else showed up it was still advertised and presented as a public screening.

And all of this is just by way of evidence to support what @ProfLargofesse said (apols for cut & paste wonkiness) Yesterday 12:46 and Yesterday 12:39

"Ok, so my read of this bit of the letter of complaint is what it hangs on: 'She also alluded to the fact that she had my film removed from competition by alerting
the programmers to a private screening that Homebird had for cast and crew in the QFT a year prior, with our co-founder Outburst Arts.'
Film festivals are quite strict in asking for premier status for shorts. The rules for submitting will make this quite clear.
I believe SM went up to this person after the screening, told him that she enjoyed the film and that she hopes lots of folk will see it and that she's sorry it couldn't be included because it had already been screened.
And they have confected all the rest around that to help MD.

Yep here are the short competition guidelines ie if you want to be considered in the competitive aspect of the fest you have to comply:
SHORT FILMS
Films must be 20 minutes or under.
They must have been completed between the following dates: 1st September 2024 - 31st August 2025.
Films must have been made in Ireland, or made by an Irish writer/director.
Films must not have been screened before publicly in Northern Ireland.
That's why he has inserted the word privately, weirdly, in that letter of complaint.
It's the total giveaway.
In all likelihood that 'private' screening was open to the public and ticketed so not at all private.
He and the producer are fuckin angry that the rules were applied and they were excluded from competition.
Given how they did not respond immediately to the complaint given how horrendous if true, I suspect they all know the filmmakers had an axe to grind and they were using this to grind it big time."

Screnshots will appear after moderation.

Excellent squirrelling and confirms the lie and proves, by including that seemingly irrelevant aspect, that the whole is not to be taken as in any way reliable.

To summarise:

Homebird is premiered as part of Outburst 2021. Public screening. Ticketed and advertised, not invite only.

Film is then submitted to BFF in 2022 and is selected.

Sara is the member of staff who is delegated the task of checking selected films do, in fact, meet the eligibility criteria including not having screened publicly in NI before. (Perhaps someone drew their attention to earlier screening). Finds out it doesn’t.

Film is still included in fest but not in competition. Someone tells filmmaker and producer that it was Sara wot done it. They are livid because winning comps is the grease that oils the wheels in terms of getting further funding.

They grow an immense dislike for SM because they have convinced themselves they didn’t lie on the submission form and she is a cow for doing her job.

Sara goes up to filmmakers after screening and congratulates them on great film and even tho it couldn’t be in competition she hopes it will be seen by many.

Word goes out amongst Outbursties (like groupies) that they need complaints. Filmmakers have convinced themselves that Sara is transphobic so feels justified in making up a whole lot of nonsense the help get her sacked. Revenge. Spite.

They think their lies will all be kept secret because they asked for it to be kept secret.

BFF know it is a lie but use it a way cos they need it for the complaints to reach level of ‘many’.

NebulousProfessorSupportPostcard · 20/11/2025 07:37

I dont think a registered health care professional was involved. The person who submitted the complaint was a support/advocacy worker for a Rainbow Project. By training she is into storyboard design/animation, has an arts background and had previously worked for the Belfast Film Festival!

Largesso · 20/11/2025 07:38

NecessaryScene · 20/11/2025 07:16

The charitable "not outright lying" interpretation would be to say that he's splitting hairs, and that he'd argue that a publicly-advertised screening isn't a public screening if no members of the public actually turn up.

It's not beyond the realm of possibility that only cast and crew were actually present.

I mean, they only offered free tickets and introductions from the cast and crew.

I generally feel you're going to need more major incentives - like free food! - to make people turn up and sit through through a random "brand new queer short film" by a local "trans director", right?

It doesn’t matter who turns up, and they’ll no that fine well. It just matters that it was advertised as open to the public.

ProfessorOfAllTheThings · 20/11/2025 07:41

NebulousProfessorSupportPostcard · 20/11/2025 07:37

I dont think a registered health care professional was involved. The person who submitted the complaint was a support/advocacy worker for a Rainbow Project. By training she is into storyboard design/animation, has an arts background and had previously worked for the Belfast Film Festival!

That makes me feel better.

Although it further highlights the disingenuous nature of both the complaint and it's insertion into the process.

There seem to be a lot of people adjacent to all of this that have behaved poorly but may never ever even have that pointed out to them.

Largesso · 20/11/2025 07:43

Mistake in my summary. The event at BFF was the opening gala, not a screening of Homebird so I don’t know if the fiom screened at BFF out of comp or not.

NebulousProfessorSupportPostcard · 20/11/2025 07:43

Largesso · 20/11/2025 07:38

It doesn’t matter who turns up, and they’ll no that fine well. It just matters that it was advertised as open to the public.

Yes, I was already being charitable in hinting that maybe noone else turned up, but even then they had advertised a 'premiere'. Other contenders for the prize could have felt cheated if outburst hadnt been disqualified

EdithStourton · 20/11/2025 07:44

NecessaryScene · 20/11/2025 07:16

The charitable "not outright lying" interpretation would be to say that he's splitting hairs, and that he'd argue that a publicly-advertised screening isn't a public screening if no members of the public actually turn up.

It's not beyond the realm of possibility that only cast and crew were actually present.

I mean, they only offered free tickets and introductions from the cast and crew.

I generally feel you're going to need more major incentives - like free food! - to make people turn up and sit through through a random "brand new queer short film" by a local "trans director", right?

If almost nobody wants to see these films, why is public money being thrown at them?

This is what makes so many people so cross.

NebulousProfessorSupportPostcard · 20/11/2025 07:45

Largesso · 20/11/2025 07:43

Mistake in my summary. The event at BFF was the opening gala, not a screening of Homebird so I don’t know if the fiom screened at BFF out of comp or not.

Homebird premiered a year earlier at Outburst's own festival. The opening gala of the 2022 BFF festival was a film produced by Caleb's friends. Caleb was there to help and Sara spoke to Caleb over drinks after the screening.Homebird was included in the programme a few days later but wasnt eligible for the competition.

NebulousProfessorSupportPostcard · 20/11/2025 07:48

EdithStourton · 20/11/2025 07:44

If almost nobody wants to see these films, why is public money being thrown at them?

This is what makes so many people so cross.

We don't know who attended in total. That's an unfortunate digression that I inadvertently triggered by trying to be fair.

Easytoconfuse · 20/11/2025 07:50

NebulousProfessorSupportPostcard · 20/11/2025 07:48

We don't know who attended in total. That's an unfortunate digression that I inadvertently triggered by trying to be fair.

Also, the stray cat has been neutered and would like to complain because the film traumatised him. Or so my cat tells me. He may or may not be reliable, but will give evidence in return for salmon.

NebulousProfessorSupportPostcard · 20/11/2025 07:52

ProfessorOfAllTheThings · 20/11/2025 07:41

That makes me feel better.

Although it further highlights the disingenuous nature of both the complaint and it's insertion into the process.

There seem to be a lot of people adjacent to all of this that have behaved poorly but may never ever even have that pointed out to them.

Yes. This unfolded during the cloudflare disruption and the boards here were jumping around different topics while we waited for NW summaries. But Naomi C put it to a witness that the complaint from Caleb at Outburst, via Amie (ex BFF) was quite "incestuous".

SexRealistic · 20/11/2025 07:52

Conxis · 20/11/2025 07:30

Stray from the Sandie Peggie threads lurking here but not had time to keep up this week!
Can I ask those Professors in attendance in person, how has the Judge’s demeanour been with NC and CE this week following last Fridays behaviour?

Well I think she’s realised our out of towners are just about the only people in the room heavily invested in stuff like the truth, unbiased panel members, uncovering the fact what’s in the bundle is a pack of lies.

So she’s been fair and in her favour - this has been an incredibly unusual case.

I think for example Sean Doherty potentially was instructed to ask re Caleb’s anonimity - because they can see that Naomi and Charlotte do their research and keep their receipts.

For me the big standouts are:

  • Panel members need to be vetted and verified
  • Likely no one is untainted from this massive brainwashing ideology
  • On these cases research is always needed
  • Once someone is caught in a lie / hides something then always verify everything they say
  • The grift is real

If there wasn’t funding for Sara none of this would have come out. So fair play to her solicitor Simon who got her funding that got her the right team.

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SexRealistic · 20/11/2025 07:56

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NebulousProfessorSupportPostcard · 20/11/2025 07:59

The 12K for Purebred (plus a second grant of <10k) was from an NIScreen/BFI fund that Outburst applied for. Not BFF funding.

SexRealistic · 20/11/2025 08:12

Easytoconfuse · 20/11/2025 07:50

Also, the stray cat has been neutered and would like to complain because the film traumatised him. Or so my cat tells me. He may or may not be reliable, but will give evidence in return for salmon.

Please send your complaint to BFF -

Laurence McKeown says they have to consider all complaints and this has to clearly be a ‘staffing issue’. And since Michele was the only full time staff member at the time that Caleb got her £12.5 k funding - the staffing issue & but for causation is as follows:

  • Michele needed a complaint to get rid of Sarah
  • Caleb submits said complaint
  • Two months later Caleb & Outburst get given £12.5k to make the film
  • Said film scares cat as the film awoke them to the fact that transitioning causes sterilization in some cases and they are sterile and now identify as a trans cat.

Strong case. Complaint will be upheld.

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ProfessorEmeritaVeraAtkins · 20/11/2025 08:14

WaryHiker · 19/11/2025 23:56

In which case, I believe your title should be downgraded to OccasionalProfessorEmeritaVeraAtkins.
If this tribunal has proved anything, it's that the world would be a better place if people knew how little they knew and were openly prepared to admit it - particularly to NC 🙂

Turns out Blackadder was talking about Ape Creatures - I always heard it as eight creatures because that was the background knowledge I had when watching Blackadder. Every day is a school day. But there really are EIGHT creatures of the Indus, as well as ape creatures.

SexRealistic · 20/11/2025 08:17

NebulousProfessorSupportPostcard · 20/11/2025 07:37

I dont think a registered health care professional was involved. The person who submitted the complaint was a support/advocacy worker for a Rainbow Project. By training she is into storyboard design/animation, has an arts background and had previously worked for the Belfast Film Festival!

Yes absolutely- but to hide the lies - they present it as a mental health issue in court / vulnerable user / please don’t for Gods sake mention their name or the Mumsnetter will find out all the lies.

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Easytoconfuse · 20/11/2025 08:18

SexRealistic · 20/11/2025 08:12

Please send your complaint to BFF -

Laurence McKeown says they have to consider all complaints and this has to clearly be a ‘staffing issue’. And since Michele was the only full time staff member at the time that Caleb got her £12.5 k funding - the staffing issue & but for causation is as follows:

  • Michele needed a complaint to get rid of Sarah
  • Caleb submits said complaint
  • Two months later Caleb & Outburst get given £12.5k to make the film
  • Said film scares cat as the film awoke them to the fact that transitioning causes sterilization in some cases and they are sterile and now identify as a trans cat.

Strong case. Complaint will be upheld.

It's no dafter than what's been going on, is it?

ProfLargofesse · 20/11/2025 08:19

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I will always argue that film as an art form has as much value in and of itself which shouldn't be measured 'in the moment' by box office as mainstream film is. It's easy to place mainstream standards on arthouse and it is misplaced. Sometimes films grow audiences over time and there are lots of examples of filmmakers/ writers/ poets/ painters etc whose work didn't 'hit' in the moment of release/publication/ exhibition but who have subsequently become very important artists in the firmament.

Film was always a tricky area because for decades the financial support from public funds all went in one direction: the idea of the male 'auteur', when in fact it is a very collaborative art form and the results are because of director, producer, writer, actors, designers and composers unlike poetry or such which is actually authored by one person. Directors are usually the decision makers in the hierarchy but that doesn't make them the sole artist.

So there has been some work in the last decade or so to increase support for women filmmakers and for the ethnically/ racially marginalised. Also for gay filmmakers as this is often work that is ghettoised into special strands/ special festivals etc and not included in more general programming and curation.

Unfortunately, the question of the taste of the gatekeepers was never really challenged so the attempts to widen access were kind of stifled by the fact the decision makers had quite a narrow taste culture which they found it tricky to step outside so the whole remained quite monocultural overall.

But before this had really taken time to develop and to challenge those established taste cultures, the public funding bodies were Stonewalled and, in response, the laudible aspiration to widen participation became a very narrow thing indeed. It became more thought policing that widening access.

This is further exacerbated by the BFI enforcing a questionnaire for all funding submissions and which has had to be adopted by all funding orgs in UK and NI, in which applicants must testify before my Lord Jesus Stonewall that their project has thought about diversity and inclusion. Nowadays any funding application has to include a manifesto not just covering the project's themes in terms of EDI but also on how it is staffed.

This, of course, excludes the types of aspiring filmmakers who can't build a successful argument around EDI to justify their work and favours the easy tick box exercise of EDI that fails the artworld generally. It doesn't actually, for example, make it any easier for disabled filmmakers in any real way.

It also means that the bias has now gone completely the other way, and this perception of bias totally puts off broader audiences.

I think it is a real shame as so many films continue thus to be sidelined into 'Queer' festivals/ strands and that becomes the MOST IMPORTANT aspect of the film when often they are just exploring the human condition generally.

Anyhoo, rant over.

SexRealistic · 20/11/2025 08:25

Just to say - I misread BFI for BFF as the second funded on Caleb’s film.

That being said the other one Screen NI who half funds BFF and there are so many little threads to pull on there. I’d not say there is direct evidence but likely a link could be found very easily.

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KnottyAuty · 20/11/2025 08:26

Mmmnotsure · 19/11/2025 11:47

Exactly this.

Language matters. The Cambridge English department was torn apart by Structuralism/Post-Structuralism back in the day. And here we are again.

Not a professor, though, as all the chairs seem to have been taken by others on this thread. Sad times.

I don’t want to de-rail but it would be useful to know more about this (if you haven’t posted about it in what I’m still to read?!) as a really useful example of institutional damage caused by language… and especially how did they sort it out/get back on track?

EdithStourton · 20/11/2025 08:28

NebulousProfessorSupportPostcard · 20/11/2025 07:48

We don't know who attended in total. That's an unfortunate digression that I inadvertently triggered by trying to be fair.

Fair enough.
But IM(limited)E of publicly fined local arts events, almost everyone who attends could afford to pay market rate anyway.

I get the argument for fostering young talent and all the rest of it, but I think an awful lot of people look at the dosh slung at things like BFF and think, WTF?

SexRealistic · 20/11/2025 08:30

KnottyAuty · 20/11/2025 08:26

I don’t want to de-rail but it would be useful to know more about this (if you haven’t posted about it in what I’m still to read?!) as a really useful example of institutional damage caused by language… and especially how did they sort it out/get back on track?

It’s never a de-rail - it educates us all on these topics - generates interests and helps other people learn how to challenge the group think.

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SexRealistic · 20/11/2025 08:31

NebulousProfessorSupportPostcard · 20/11/2025 07:59

The 12K for Purebred (plus a second grant of <10k) was from an NIScreen/BFI fund that Outburst applied for. Not BFF funding.

Edited

Yes I went back to read probably and added a correction - I’d do it to each post I mentioned.

Profuse apologies

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SexRealistic · 20/11/2025 09:03

ProfessorBoiledbeetle · 19/11/2025 18:45

@SexRealistic And sometimes, well let's just say sometimes what I think is

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This is now a campaign of harassment.

I will whip up two complaints both from people at the same organisation but from two different email accounts so that it obscures the source.

I know I think it’s many - many is 3. 2 is 2. So not many. But enough for an investigation.

You will soon be burned for a witch.

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