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"Palestine Action activists hit police officer with sledgehammer, court told" - man hits woman with sledgehammer and fractures her spine.

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CassOle · 18/11/2025 20:01

'Attack happened after armed gang in jumpsuits broke into Bristol defence factory intent on causing damage, jury hears.

Palestine Action activists hit a female police officer with a sledgehammer after bulldozing their way into a defence factory, a court has heard.

The gang, wearing jumpsuits and armed with whips, fireworks, an axe and a paintball gun, allegedly rammed an old prison van through the gate at Elbit Systems UK, Bristol, in August last year.

Woolwich Crown Court heard on Tuesday that Sgt Kate Evans suffered a fracture to her lumbar spine after she was beaten with a sledgehammer while she lay on the ground. Samuel Corner, 23, denies causing grievous bodily harm with intent.'

Continues here https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/18/palestine-action-activists-hit-police-sledgehammer-court/

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noblegiraffe · 19/11/2025 22:34

I am standing up for the rights of people to protest, though

The right for Palestine Action to protest by using violence?

Because that's what 'I support Palestine Action' means.

Signalbox · 19/11/2025 22:35

Imbrocator · 18/11/2025 20:12

Jesus Christ. And people were confused about why they were proscribed.

It wasn’t really confusion. More disagreement that an activist organisation like PA reaches the threshold of a terrorist org. At the point they were proscribed this wasn’t public information was it so not something that could have been taken into account. I’m still not convinced tbh.

noblegiraffe · 19/11/2025 22:38

Signalbox · 19/11/2025 22:35

It wasn’t really confusion. More disagreement that an activist organisation like PA reaches the threshold of a terrorist org. At the point they were proscribed this wasn’t public information was it so not something that could have been taken into account. I’m still not convinced tbh.

It was public that a member put a police officer in hospital with a sledgehammer.

Signalbox · 19/11/2025 22:38

ArabellaSaurus · 19/11/2025 18:49

Very sad to hear PC continues to suffer pain from her injuries.

Be interesting to see if PA are still going to garner widespread support, going forward.

You would think all the “I support PA” lot would hang their heads in shame. I shan’t hold my breath though. They are on a moral crusade.

Signalbox · 19/11/2025 22:43

noblegiraffe · 19/11/2025 22:38

It was public that a member put a police officer in hospital with a sledgehammer.

Was the full detail made public? What I read was very vague but I might have missed something.

ErrolTheDragon · 19/11/2025 22:44

People can protest without supporting a group which advocates and performs such violence.

noblegiraffe · 19/11/2025 22:51

Signalbox · 19/11/2025 22:43

Was the full detail made public? What I read was very vague but I might have missed something.

Not the detail about breaking her spine. But e.g.

"A police officer was taken to hospital after being hit with a sledgehammer while responding to reports of criminal damage.
A vehicle was used to ram the entrance of the Bristol HQ of defence technology firm Elbit Systems on Bolingbroke Way in Patchway, on the outskirts of Bristol, shortly before 04:00 BST.
Employees and police officers who intervened were assaulted, Avon and Somerset Constabulary said, and six people were arrested.
Sledgehammers, axes, whips and other homemade weapons were seized, police added.
During the incident, two officers were assaulted with a sledgehammer, police said.
One of the officers was taken to hospital with injuries to her back and has since been discharged, while the other officer received medical treatment at the scene after being struck on the back of his legs.
An employee of the business was also treated by paramedics for an injury to their head."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mnnje4wlro

A screenshot of the police van seen on the Elbit Systems UK site. The van is a large white vehicle with small windows and a chevron pattern across the back. A figure wearing black with a white helmet can be seen in the lower right corner of the image h...

Police officer hit with sledgehammer near Bristol

Police say officers seized sledgehammers, axes, whips and other homemade weapons.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mnnje4wlro

Signalbox · 19/11/2025 23:08

noblegiraffe · 19/11/2025 22:51

Not the detail about breaking her spine. But e.g.

"A police officer was taken to hospital after being hit with a sledgehammer while responding to reports of criminal damage.
A vehicle was used to ram the entrance of the Bristol HQ of defence technology firm Elbit Systems on Bolingbroke Way in Patchway, on the outskirts of Bristol, shortly before 04:00 BST.
Employees and police officers who intervened were assaulted, Avon and Somerset Constabulary said, and six people were arrested.
Sledgehammers, axes, whips and other homemade weapons were seized, police added.
During the incident, two officers were assaulted with a sledgehammer, police said.
One of the officers was taken to hospital with injuries to her back and has since been discharged, while the other officer received medical treatment at the scene after being struck on the back of his legs.
An employee of the business was also treated by paramedics for an injury to their head."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mnnje4wlro

Fair enough. I’m still not convinced that proscription was the way to go. I hope they do some serious time though. Nasty bastards the lot of them.

noblegiraffe · 19/11/2025 23:10

Signalbox · 19/11/2025 23:08

Fair enough. I’m still not convinced that proscription was the way to go. I hope they do some serious time though. Nasty bastards the lot of them.

They also attacked an RAF base and were planning more attacks on other RAF bases.

Not just violent but also a threat to national security. Basically doing Russia’s work for them.

Noodledog · 19/11/2025 23:29

JazzyContemporaneousNotes · 19/11/2025 21:50

Not a pensioner and yea still protested. No-one was duped. PA proscription is a civil overreach, and that's the reason for the protest.

Britain has a long and distinguished reputation for selling Arms to dodgy countries, we are regarded as terrorists in some parts of the world.

Some of the things being built in that factory have been used to blow up babies and children and women, it's a feminist issue that should concern us all. As is the holy mess in Sudan - being bankrolled by our ally the UAE, and Yemin - being supressed by the Saudi's and what about the proxy war being waged in Ukraine?

Anyone who's prepared to stand up and shut down these factories of death are doing us all a favour.

I will be interested to see the whole of the trial - we must remember that sometimes the press do not accurately portray what has actually happened in a trial - remember the BBC headlines for the first tranch of the Sandy Penny tribunal.

The sex of the police involved in this scuffle is secondary to what was happening - she wasn't targeted for being a woman, indeed, she may not have been targeted at all, but involved in an intercept when these people were trying to destroy property at the factory - that produces drones and other intelligent warfare, used in Palestine and now by ICE in America.

This will be on our streets soon. We'll not be able to hold the corporations, politicians or indeed any public services to account, if we continue to proceed in the direction that the authoritarian people in charge, like that human rights lawyer seem to want to take us.

There are laws a that have been broken, these laws are sufficient to charge the people involved with this action and hold them to account. The procription of Palestine Action was a political action, not a security issue, as has been confirmed by the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre ... more here https://www.declassifieduk.org/revealed-how-palestine-action-was-banned/

I do hope she does recover, though. I don't believe in violence solving anything.

You seem to be trying to justify a man attacking a woman - already lying on the floor - with a sledgehammer and breaking her spine. There is no justification for what he did, and the long post you've just written makes you look like an apologist for extreme violence. And the suggestion that this violent man was somehow doing people a favour is grotesque.

PollyNomial · 19/11/2025 23:41

noblegiraffe · 19/11/2025 23:10

They also attacked an RAF base and were planning more attacks on other RAF bases.

Not just violent but also a threat to national security. Basically doing Russia’s work for them.

They could only get onto RAF bases because those bases had inexcusably poor security; the poor security of the RAF is the threat to national security, not this lamentable mob who merely exploited their failing. (They shouldn't have exploited it but a competent armed forces base wouldn't have allowed them to have exploited it.)

And, horrible though the spinal injury is, I don't think the use of a sledgehammer makes this mob terrorists. Unless of course the Krays were terrorists and virtually every county lines gangs are terrorists - because they all did/do far worse and definitely did/do engender terror in the communities in which they operated/operate.

WeNeedToTalkAboutIT · 19/11/2025 23:47

noblegiraffe · 19/11/2025 21:22

I really really hope that those pensioners who held up the signs saying 'I support Palestine Action' are feeling angry at those who duped them into getting arrested.

I assume that Palestine Action is a big enough group with lots of different factions in it that it can accommodate both peaceful pensioners with signs and violent thugs with weapons.

Life is complicated.

That poor policewoman. She may well end up with life limiting injuries. I hope sledgehammer man rots in jail for the rest of his life.

noblegiraffe · 19/11/2025 23:52

I assume that Palestine Action is a big enough group with lots of different factions in it that it can accommodate both peaceful pensioners with signs and violent thugs with weapons.

Am I missing sarcasm or are you suggesting that peaceful pensioners should choose to join a group that accommodates violent thugs? When other groups are available?

ThreeDeafMice · 20/11/2025 03:40

PollyNomial · 19/11/2025 23:41

They could only get onto RAF bases because those bases had inexcusably poor security; the poor security of the RAF is the threat to national security, not this lamentable mob who merely exploited their failing. (They shouldn't have exploited it but a competent armed forces base wouldn't have allowed them to have exploited it.)

And, horrible though the spinal injury is, I don't think the use of a sledgehammer makes this mob terrorists. Unless of course the Krays were terrorists and virtually every county lines gangs are terrorists - because they all did/do far worse and definitely did/do engender terror in the communities in which they operated/operate.

It is the use of violence to achieve political ends that makes Palestine Action terrorists; not the severity of the violence used.

The Krays and county lines drug organizations didn't try and aren't trying to pressure the government into taking some kind of stance.

There is a bright line from organizations such as the Red Army Faction/Baader-Meinhof gang, Provisional IRA, Sendero Luminoso and others straight through to Palestine Action. Not to mention The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Fatah and others.

ArabellaSaurus · 20/11/2025 07:40

ThreeDeafMice · 20/11/2025 03:40

It is the use of violence to achieve political ends that makes Palestine Action terrorists; not the severity of the violence used.

The Krays and county lines drug organizations didn't try and aren't trying to pressure the government into taking some kind of stance.

There is a bright line from organizations such as the Red Army Faction/Baader-Meinhof gang, Provisional IRA, Sendero Luminoso and others straight through to Palestine Action. Not to mention The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Fatah and others.

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Thank you. Exactly.

Violently attacking people for political ends is not 'protest', its terrorism.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 20/11/2025 07:49

PollyNomial · 19/11/2025 23:41

They could only get onto RAF bases because those bases had inexcusably poor security; the poor security of the RAF is the threat to national security, not this lamentable mob who merely exploited their failing. (They shouldn't have exploited it but a competent armed forces base wouldn't have allowed them to have exploited it.)

And, horrible though the spinal injury is, I don't think the use of a sledgehammer makes this mob terrorists. Unless of course the Krays were terrorists and virtually every county lines gangs are terrorists - because they all did/do far worse and definitely did/do engender terror in the communities in which they operated/operate.

Mm hmmm so if a burglar gets into my home it’s actually my security that’s the issue and not the criminal trying to break into my home right? 🙄

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 20/11/2025 07:53

ErrolTheDragon · 19/11/2025 09:38

Or they’ll excuse themselves with a flimsy ‘no true Scotsman’ type of argument.

Maybe people didn’t know about this and thought that PA was proscribed for vandalising planes or suchlike but now they do know.
This isn’t Greenham common or Ban the Bomb, its people using violence to support a known terrorist organisation. What they are doing isn’t helping the poor suffering people of Palestine one iota.

Yes the whips were clearly for damaging property and not inflicting violence on people. 🙄 Hopefully this will wake people up and stop excusing these violent terrorists but I doubt it.

quantumbutterfly · 20/11/2025 07:55

ArabellaSaurus · 19/11/2025 18:39

''They were armed with a variety of weapons, including whips, hammers, axes, metal skewers, one of them at least had a paintball gun, smoke grenades, flares and fireworks which once they'd entered they proceeded to light and throw or fire across the car park at Nigel Shaw as he approached them carrying nothing more than his umbrella.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15302839/Palestine-Action-protester-fractured-police-officer-spine-sledgehammer.html

I hope that the PC recovers fully and has plenty of support. Absolutely horrific.

Well that's not a creepy picture at all😶

Hoardasurass · 20/11/2025 08:21

JazzyContemporaneousNotes · 19/11/2025 21:50

Not a pensioner and yea still protested. No-one was duped. PA proscription is a civil overreach, and that's the reason for the protest.

Britain has a long and distinguished reputation for selling Arms to dodgy countries, we are regarded as terrorists in some parts of the world.

Some of the things being built in that factory have been used to blow up babies and children and women, it's a feminist issue that should concern us all. As is the holy mess in Sudan - being bankrolled by our ally the UAE, and Yemin - being supressed by the Saudi's and what about the proxy war being waged in Ukraine?

Anyone who's prepared to stand up and shut down these factories of death are doing us all a favour.

I will be interested to see the whole of the trial - we must remember that sometimes the press do not accurately portray what has actually happened in a trial - remember the BBC headlines for the first tranch of the Sandy Penny tribunal.

The sex of the police involved in this scuffle is secondary to what was happening - she wasn't targeted for being a woman, indeed, she may not have been targeted at all, but involved in an intercept when these people were trying to destroy property at the factory - that produces drones and other intelligent warfare, used in Palestine and now by ICE in America.

This will be on our streets soon. We'll not be able to hold the corporations, politicians or indeed any public services to account, if we continue to proceed in the direction that the authoritarian people in charge, like that human rights lawyer seem to want to take us.

There are laws a that have been broken, these laws are sufficient to charge the people involved with this action and hold them to account. The procription of Palestine Action was a political action, not a security issue, as has been confirmed by the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre ... more here https://www.declassifieduk.org/revealed-how-palestine-action-was-banned/

I do hope she does recover, though. I don't believe in violence solving anything.

Are you really trying to excuse a man attacking a woman lying on the ground facing away from him with a SLEDGEHAMMER as justifiably really?
Do you understand the legal definition of terrorism in the uk? I ask as PA and their thugs fit the definition perfectly. Its simply unacceptable to behave like a terrorist and then cry about being called a terrorist.
Here's a basic description of terrorism under uk law for you

"Palestine Action activists hit police officer with sledgehammer, court told" - man hits woman with sledgehammer and fractures her spine.
Hoardasurass · 20/11/2025 08:29

JazzyContemporaneousNotes · 19/11/2025 22:33

I'm not apologising for/on behalf of or ecusing that violence, any violence is abhorrent. Including State violence.

Please do read what I wrote again - I'm not promoting, excusing or glorifying violence, against humans.

I don't agree with a lot of what the right promote, but I will still stand for their right to say it.

I don't agree with the stance taken by some of the people in the gender debate - but I would still

I am standing up for the rights of people to protest, though. And not to be locked up on remand for over the legal limit of 6 months - that's turning protesters into political prisoners.

And it doesn't matter how many times you emphasise how violently the policewoman was injured, for shock value - it is shocking - I do not disagree.

And the crimed being committed by the wepons that are produced in our country are as shocking

And it's shocking to me, that we're all not as shocked about everything as we should be.

Weapons cant commit crimes.
And yes you are excusing their behaviour and justifying it.
People can still peacefully protest they just cant support a proscribed terrorist organisation. Pro Palestinian marches haven't been banned just supporting PA who are violent terrorist thugs and only terrorist sympathisers dont understand that.
Give your head a wobble and think before you get yourself arrested as a terrorist too

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 20/11/2025 08:34

'I'm not excusing BUT.....'

No.

If you support ANY reasons or actions that lead to some absolute bastard breaking the spine of a police officer with a sledgehammer, which will permanently destroy her life anyway and could have killed her, your values have become alarmingly warped and so has your grip on objective reality.

Yes, of course people will keep repeating the violence of the attack, the weapon. Listen to yourself and why you don't want them to mention it; your conscience is trying to tell you something.

Hoardasurass · 20/11/2025 08:35

Signalbox · 19/11/2025 22:35

It wasn’t really confusion. More disagreement that an activist organisation like PA reaches the threshold of a terrorist org. At the point they were proscribed this wasn’t public information was it so not something that could have been taken into account. I’m still not convinced tbh.

Yes it was public knowledge and many of us pointed to it as part of the reason they were proscribed but like atleast 1 poster on this thread it was denied (even though pa admitted it publicly) and the rest justified it like another poster has.
They think that violence is acceptable as long as it gets the political changes they want which is the very definition of terrorism.
Those who defend pa and their tactics are terrorists and belong in jail

Delphin · 20/11/2025 08:40

JazzyContemporaneousNotes · 19/11/2025 21:50

Not a pensioner and yea still protested. No-one was duped. PA proscription is a civil overreach, and that's the reason for the protest.

Britain has a long and distinguished reputation for selling Arms to dodgy countries, we are regarded as terrorists in some parts of the world.

Some of the things being built in that factory have been used to blow up babies and children and women, it's a feminist issue that should concern us all. As is the holy mess in Sudan - being bankrolled by our ally the UAE, and Yemin - being supressed by the Saudi's and what about the proxy war being waged in Ukraine?

Anyone who's prepared to stand up and shut down these factories of death are doing us all a favour.

I will be interested to see the whole of the trial - we must remember that sometimes the press do not accurately portray what has actually happened in a trial - remember the BBC headlines for the first tranch of the Sandy Penny tribunal.

The sex of the police involved in this scuffle is secondary to what was happening - she wasn't targeted for being a woman, indeed, she may not have been targeted at all, but involved in an intercept when these people were trying to destroy property at the factory - that produces drones and other intelligent warfare, used in Palestine and now by ICE in America.

This will be on our streets soon. We'll not be able to hold the corporations, politicians or indeed any public services to account, if we continue to proceed in the direction that the authoritarian people in charge, like that human rights lawyer seem to want to take us.

There are laws a that have been broken, these laws are sufficient to charge the people involved with this action and hold them to account. The procription of Palestine Action was a political action, not a security issue, as has been confirmed by the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre ... more here https://www.declassifieduk.org/revealed-how-palestine-action-was-banned/

I do hope she does recover, though. I don't believe in violence solving anything.

"she wasn't targeted for being a woman, indeed, she may not have been targeted at all, but involved in an intercept when these people were trying to destroy property at the factory -"

Yep, "Auf der Flucht erschossen." (Nazi bureaucratese for shooting people in the back, who weren't actually escaping). This woman was lying on her belly, when he struck her with a sledgehammer.

Signalbox · 20/11/2025 08:41

Hoardasurass · 20/11/2025 08:21

Are you really trying to excuse a man attacking a woman lying on the ground facing away from him with a SLEDGEHAMMER as justifiably really?
Do you understand the legal definition of terrorism in the uk? I ask as PA and their thugs fit the definition perfectly. Its simply unacceptable to behave like a terrorist and then cry about being called a terrorist.
Here's a basic description of terrorism under uk law for you

This definition could also include climate orgs like Just Stop Oil.

Delphin · 20/11/2025 08:42

@JazzyContemporaneousNotes "Please do read what I wrote again - I'm not promoting, excusing or glorifying violence, against humans."

Yes, you do.

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