Why the NHS puberty blocker trial is appalling

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Stella O’Malley from Genspect telling it like it is - that a state endorsed trial of puberty blockers for gender dysphoric children should NOT go ahead.
the NHS are not walking into this nightmare blindly - there are enough experts out there telling them what will happen happen to these children if they’re given these life changing drugs.
https://x.com/genspect/status/1989896741358113127?s=61&t=gKvvk-rWmOlYFGMZN8QVvQ

I just looked again at what LWD sent but it only said to write to your MP with no mention of it being only if they are Labour.

The Telegraph & Times have covered the trial extensively with the readerships below the line comprehensively calling this child abuse by the State.

Has this been posted yet? A complaint to the regulators about the pathways trial from the Clinical Advisory Group oon Sex and Gender?

https://can-sg.org/2025/12/09/complaint-to-regulators-about-pathways-puberty-blocker-trial/

I have heard about this one but cant find much more than this shared on a facebook post:

Psychotherapist James Esses and de-transitioner Keira Bell have sent formal legal letters to the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) and the Health Research Authority (HRA) over the PATHWAYS clinical trial, a publicly funded study of puberty blockers.

I double checked and you're right. The labour MP bit was regarding the CoP.

Wouldn’t the sensible action be to admit transgender children have always existed and look to see what happened to them as they grew up

especially what happened to the ones who grew up in a world with no gender affirming medication on the horizon ?

as a true control group?

has this been suggested anywhere ?

Rosie is furious

as GC Labour MPs refused to sign her letter as a reform candidate is one of the signatories

Interesting !

How would you find them, though?

She is right to be furious. I am hearing rumours that some people are not going to attend the PB trial protest next week as there may be others present that they disagree with. It's pathetic.

Tweet: https://x.com/rosieduffield1/status/1998787257806000587?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

That’s the point of a cross party letter ffs

I’d volunteer myself for starters

what I found interesting was how the whole blowing up of transgenders really reignited many of my younger self negative feelings - I did look up the cost of breast surgery at our local hospital for example. Which is why I think that not looking at the older groups is wrong. Because a lot of this is in your head and that is heavily affected by external situations and pressures

if we accept the premise that transgender has always been about there must be many more than me on these boards ? I guess some adults will transition but I also find it interesting that at the older ages it’s mostly men who do so

I guess it would be a diverse group that will have taken different pathways but there must be more than me out here ?

That sounds bloody obvious tbh but it seems we billions of £ and tonnes of hoops to get this shite sorted 🙄

Which is why I think that not looking at the older groups is wrong.

Agreed. Before experimenting on kids, they should absolutely ask older trans people first. We were kids too, once!

Because a lot of this is in your head and that is heavily affected by external situations and pressures

Absolutely. Unfortunately, that's one argument the TRAs use in support of the explosion of trans cases now: that it's just because young people feel free to come out as trans unlike their elders in earlier times.

if we accept the premise that transgender has always been about there must be many more than me on these boards ?

I wouldn't say "many", personally, as I don't believe there are that many non-AGP trans people to begin with. But that's just my opinion.

I guess it would be a diverse group that will have taken different pathways but there must be more than me out here ?

Clearly. I can already spot a huge objection that TRAs would mention, though: that by definition, that group wouldn't account for the ones who would have committed suicide because of their gender distress. Since they argue that suicide is a massive risk when kids aren't being affirmed, this particular limitation would be a problem.

Still, such a study should definitely be considered before experimenting on kids. There would be loads to learn from it!

Special place in Hell for those "GC" MPs who thought risking have their halos besmirched (by a stain, perhaps?) meant they wouldn't support this letter.

I wouldn't say "many", personally, as I don't believe there are that many non-AGP trans people to begin with. But that's just my opinion.

This definitely seems the consensus. And many people who you would expect to be 'in the know', confirm it. But I've yet to see any statistics, unsurprisingly.

Does anyone know whether or not Hilary Cass mentioned AGP in her report? Was it addressed?

There were more girls than boys at the Tavistock clinic and its children’s transitioning that is the case here for the study

i agree AGP may be significant for adult male transitioning

Dr Az Hakeem is a consultant psychiatrist who has been using psychotherapy to treat adult males with gender dysphoria for over twenty years. He reckons that there is a sexual element in the desire to transition for every single patient that he has ever seen. He is a voice of reason who refuses to accept the affirmation model for treating gender dysphoria.

www.observatoirepetitesirene.org/en/post/az-hakeem-yes-some-parents-are-overly-invested-in-their-child-being-the-wrong-sex

if we accept the premise that transgender has always been about there must be many more than me on these boards ? I guess some adults will transition but I also find it interesting that at the older ages it’s mostly men who do so

And if we don't accept this? Of course it depends on what you mean by 'transgender'. There have probably always been people who wished they were the opposite sex. Is that what you mean by 'transgender'?

Children who fit this description have mostly been those who would grow up to be gay, plus some girls who saw the restrictive roles they would be expected to fit into as women and thought it would be better to be a man. Most of those children grow out of this phase by the time they're adults.

Older males who transition (who are almost always heterosexual) are a different category entirely. For them it's all about sexual gratification. They have nothing in common with children who want to be the opposite sex.

Yes I do mean there will always have been children who wished / believed they were the opposite sex

and I am focused on these as I understand that the puberty blocker trial is aimed at these children? Did I get this wrong ?

and in recent years that desire / belief has acquired the transgender label / understanding and a wholes set of assumptions - such as changing sex is an option. And I truely believe that - given what I felt about myself as a child and teen - that I would have jumped at the opportunity to explain who and how I was - accepting that label and demanding the treatment

hec I need the logic and wider implications that you guys often provide on this forum to stop me heading that way now. Or at least to stop me declaring as none binary when these questions are asked

my premises is that most of them grew up and lived broadly happy lives ( or as happy as others who shared their autism/lesbian/ )

and therefore these women should be sought out as controls

what helped them come to terms with how they are? What could help them now? Would their lives have been improved by the treatments on offer today ?

is there anyone else that can relate to this ?

I never thought about how an adult's fetish might intersect with parents who trans their kids. Tbh, I wish the idea had never crossed my mind.

On BBC site today!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyvg6l5nypgo

Legal letters from the campaigners have been delivered to the Health Research Authority (HRA) and the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Authority (MHRA), which have given the puberty blockers trial ethical approval.

Links from James Esses

🚨BREAKING🚨

Puberty Blocker Trial Challenge.

We have sent a pre-action letter to those responsible for the trial (including Wes Streeting).

In it, we demand that this harmful and illegal trial is terminated immediately.

If it isn’t, we will be bringing a Judicial Review.

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https://x.com/i/status/1999032404636311947

Apart from anything else, it is now under the most rigorous scrutiny.

They are not going to get away with lack of information, fudging things, and using ideological language.

This was reported on main BBC lunchtime news today including a brief interview with Keira Bell and another with James Esses.