Why the NHS puberty blocker trial is appalling

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Stella O’Malley from Genspect telling it like it is - that a state endorsed trial of puberty blockers for gender dysphoric children should NOT go ahead.
the NHS are not walking into this nightmare blindly - there are enough experts out there telling them what will happen happen to these children if they’re given these life changing drugs.
https://x.com/genspect/status/1989896741358113127?s=61&t=gKvvk-rWmOlYFGMZN8QVvQ

Fertility preservation for young girls who have not started their periods is even worse than egg freezing. The only option is freezing of either an entire ovary or part of an ovary. This involves surgery under a general anaesthetic. At a future date, the tissue could be surgically reimplanted. This is considered experimental. It has resulted in successful pregnancies in women who had childhood cancer treatment, but looking online there have only been less than a handful of births reported for women where the tissue was harvested pre-puberty.
For tissue harvested post-puberty it's about 200 births worldwide - still minuscule numbers.

And anyone who objects is right wing.

Apparently.

I would imagine that Cass has been very thoroughly, constantly, vigorously talked to by activists and the activist establishment, day after day after day after day. There will have been no balance, no other voices. She said - like the SCJ - something that wasn't wanted.

And it has to be fixed .

In a world where the govt - and apparently all other parties - are just happy to wangle and fiddle away a SCJ because it confirms actual rights in law, and a judge can apparently go completely insane and neither resign nor be sacked nor even withdraw a judgment that at this point is a swiss cheese of mistakes and holes, we're in lala land.

I've always been bullish that reality would drive a coach and horses thru gender ideology. But even with the Tavistock revelations, WPATH Files whistleblow, two rounds of Olympic sports debacles (Laurel Hubbard, followed by Imane Khelif in the boxing) & Lia Thomas, Isla Bryson, the Cass Report and now the SC ruling, the ideology may be technically in retreat, but in reality is licking it's wounds, resting to build up it's energies, biding it's time.
My fear is that if the ideology survives ostensibly intact with a large proportion of elite institutions still supporting it, and Gen Z/young Milenials especially working in the fields of law, medicine, social sciences, academia etc remain wedded, then in a decade, these individuals will start to assume all the positions of influence and policy making in their institutions, especially in the law, and momentum will shift inexorably to widespread capture, decision making and most critically, verdicts in legal cases predominantly pro-trans POV.
If legal cases en masse go against women, the trouble we think we're in now will pale in comparison.

Cases has been told this and accepted it without evidence.

Especially in an era of AI where people will have stopped thinking for themselves enough.

Previous style transsexuals probably did, and there were relatively few of them to notice.

Yes. We have a pathway to sterilise healthy children suffering from 'incongruence'.

Since it's accepted that only 2% of dysphoric children persist as adults I would have thought that the priority should be to find a better way of diagnosis than simple self reporting.

The dismissal of the brutality to an adult female’s body is bad enough. But to suggest a child goes through this because of an identity belief is really fucked up.

And if they really wanted to 'preserve fertility', the most effective way to do that is to let them go through puberty.

Ask Stephen Kinnock (who I doubt would have any political role beyond Parish Councillor were he not Neil Kinnock's son). His daughter calls herself "non-binary" & not long ago subjected herself to an elective bilateral mastectomy because she & her muddle-headed parents don't know that there's a difference between real life & character attribute menus in RPGs.

I expect buggering about with cross sex hormones is likely to have an effect on fertility post puberty, too, though. Certainly surgery on genitals will do.

Very important letter here in the times and thread explaining context of who the man who wrote it is:

https://x.com/sarahludford/status/2004894576335577325?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

explanation by Maya:

“Important comment by former Health Minister Lord Warner.

He also wrote the 1992 Inquiry "Choosing with Care" (The Warner Report) following the conviction of Frank Beck for child abuse in children's homes.

This is what led to the development of "safer recruitment".”

Maya goes on to describe the pedophile Frank Beck and his MO that triggered the Warner report

https://x.com/mforstater/status/2005022353194176955?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

and allllll that neurological research into it and they still haven’t found a gold standard test that isn’t just feels and gender stereotypes.

its almost as if it’s an imagined condition 🤔

So according to that letter, Wes could stop the trial

I daresay it is politically expedient for WS to say he has concerns but to also say the trial needs to go ahead because [insert reason].

TT:
“This is a significant public interjection into the debate about the puberty blockers trial from the former Health Minister Lord Warner.”

https://x.com/transgendertrd/status/2005198841109520708?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

“because we are following the biased science”

(and ignoring safeguarding)

Maybe a stupid question, but I assume he also sent this to Streeting directly? I'd like it hand delivered, with a photo of Wes receiving it, signing for it, opening amd reading it.

Bloody hope so

Yep.

And an eye for WS for a greater political career, let’s not forget that too. So many reasons.

inasmuch as he could force the nhs to show the evidence already in existence from 9000 children

some of which we do already know about as Hannah Barnes wrote about in Time to Think

which would demonstrate the massive issues with the whole thing

I'm pretty sure I know why the NHS won't release the data from the 9k children already put on PBs.
Not so much that the outcomes may be poor.
But that the outcomes weren't followed up.
I've read so many reports that here, in the US as well, kids put on PBs, had reassignment surgery, were "let go", so many not followed up.
Hospitals and doctors didn't keep long term contact going to track outcomes, happiness, unhappiness etc.
Kids were changed irrevocably and those doing the changing washed their hands.
There's more follow up on teens having surgery for sports injuries than there is on those having their whole bodies and hormonal systems irreversibly altered.
No wonder the NHS won't reveal the 9k kids...so many will not have long term follow up data.
A double scandal...performing the irreversible changes....and then not even checking in on so many.

Agreed. It would also highlight the nature of doctors involved in gender medicine.
Unfamiliar with medical ethics, child safeguarding and good medical practice. It would showcase the extreme levels of queer theory capture, associations with the dodgiest of activist outfits and an obscene amount of money devoted to them by the out of control NHS.