Sara Morrison v BFF Thread 3

[SexRealistic]

For background please read here:

https://genderblog.net/sara-morrison-v-belfast-film-festival/

Ah that’s interesting.

I think we've established now that she's not an actual professor though, right?

Indeed. I think the best possible case for DB's credibility is that she in fact knows nothing about academia, did have a brief visiting professorship (that could be checked by a FOI to the institution), and doesn't understand how professor titles work.

To me that would be a less extreme allegation than that she's an academic who scrubbed her online presence which would be basically impossible to do anyway. But it would screw up her future sitting on tribunals and stuff because having had it pointed out that she isn't entitled to use professor, she can't just continue.

So racking my brains to make any sense of all this, I wondered if this is NC's way of letting her know they know and offering her a chance to fall on her sword. Which she did.

How can they not know? Dr CE has an academic background herself. She knows what a publication record looks like. As soon as someone suggested she look up the Prof, she will have twigged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_industrial_council#:~:text=He%20proposed%20a%20system%20of,through%20to%20arbitration%20if%20necessary.

The NHS pay rates used to be called The Whitley Scale

Loads of Catholics were called William. It’s at no 6 in the 1911 census of Ireland (census of the whole island). Lots of my own family were Williams, usually called Willie, but that version has died out now.

Bill/Billy is fine for a Catholic where I am (south coast) and I know a few, though many more Liams. It was probably different further north?

William seems to have been equally popular with all religions in 19th C Ireland and has remained so, whereas Michael and some New Testament names (Peter, Luke, Bartholomew) were very Catholic, and Samuel very protestant.

The 1911 and 1901 censuses can be searched with a religious filter, and are fascinating if that's the sort of thing that fascinates you.

www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

"Liam is an Irish name that is a short form of the name Uilliam, which is the Irish version of the Germanic name William. William means "desire for a helmet" or "protection"."

So technically not short for William as such.
Rather it's short for the Irish version of William.
In Ireland I think we'd largely consider it an Irish language name. I'm from the Gaeltacht - lots of Liam's there, and no Williams.

Is there still an ice lolly called a Chilly Willy?

Sorry, I'm off on a tangent too.

The mad thing being that she's worked and networked in the same small geographical area and moved in the exact same circles with the same people for decades.

The academic institutions themselves must have had her on their radar a bit and could have challenged her.

Her own family might possibly have said, 'how are you a Dr and a Professor when you have never attended a course or sent off an assignment or taught a lecture or been to uni or got a degree or published any articles or carried out any research?' or something.

There is no way this happened in a vacuum at all.

I guess the academic institutions probably weren't paying much attention to ETs? Boyd seems to have been in a bit of a sweet spot where she was high enough profile to get the odd gushing press article and be seen as a safe pair of hands here, but not high enough for people to actively follow her or notice much about what she did. She's also old enough for it not to be odd that she doesn't use much social media in her work.

its one of many signals, or shibboleths: name; where you live (which estate); which school (eg the school where Boyd got her o levels); football team; etc

My reading of it is : In 2004, the Prof either got a Visiting Professorship somewhere and has continued to use it for the last 20 years. Or she just made it up, either as a bit of a jape at first or something else.

She's definitely not an academic; she's clear in that newspaper article from 2010 that she had no further qualifications past O'Level and she used Prof as a title to the HoP in 2004.

Either way, she's a fraud and she knows it. And probably the people around her know it too.

But imagine the second bite of the cherry 🍒 will be utterly delicious.

"A Defence Barrister who openly said that he would oppose recusal before any arguments put forward and then said the application was 'lipstick on a pig'."

I thought this was a very ill-judged statement by the respondents.

The phrase has become a bit of a coded dog whistle associated with Sarah Palin/right wing etc etc in recent years and a respondent witness has already been admonished for making a Sarah Palin "joke" about the claimant - it makes me wonder if this is how the respondents/bff refer to her in private.

But also because of the subject matter at hand regarding males who identify as female it seems an unfortunate turn of phrase

The most charitable reading of it would be that she got a Visiting Professorship from Ulster Uni in 2004 that didn't have an end date on it, so she has just carried on using it.

Even on this reading, she is misleading the court.

I'm sure I read recently that Liam is one of the most popular names in England nowadays. Is this something else we can blame Oasis for?

It just seems so stupid of DB because it's not like she needed to be a proper professor for this role. Having O-levels only and still being successful enough in business for a university to want to associate with her on that basis sounds impressive all by itself. I could certainly see how that would sound good in an application process. Diversity of background, recognition of multiple routes to expertise, that kind of thing.

I think its significant that the Reg Empey/Danny Kennedy 2007-2011 appointments list shows honorifics, qualifications & honours, there is a BSSc, & an OBE in the same block of appointments as Mrs Boyd. I take this as evidence that they would have recorded her status at that time correctly.

Yes that's interesting. I wonder if they checked, or if she just styled herself as Mrs and left it at that.

Completely!

I think it's fabulous that a woman set herself up as a career woman and set up companies and all that good stuff.

But setting yourself up as something you're not and giving the impression you have earned something you haven't is not on.

And that's before you start looking at the ins and outs of the companies themselves, which at this point I suspect severe shadiness...

Blame?

The research or the law?

I am a lawyer.

The research is just late night following threads of thought via google on my phone.

But a life time of lawyering gives you research skills.

Being completely outraged gives fuel.

How fuxking dare they sit there in judgment of Sara when they’re up to their necks in the crud??

Ah thanks, that's useful to know. For a long while I found it confusing that an Irish ancestor born in the 187Os (overseas) was called Joseph Patrick but his brother was William. I thought initially they might be from a "mixed marriage", but no, they were entirely Catholic. Their family was from Co Wexford.

No, there were very few Irish language names used on birth certs then. You can see the top 40 names from 1911 in this link.
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-1916/1916irl/people/names/

we have protestant Niamh and Liam in our family (protestant NI on grandads side who immigrated to Glasgow)