Sara Morrison v BFF Thread 3

[SexRealistic]

For background please read here:

https://genderblog.net/sara-morrison-v-belfast-film-festival/

I haven’t been in NI for decades, but as someone whose father’s (Catholic) family had a farm on the border in Armagh (sold, controversially, by my aunt in the 1970s, without consulting any other family members and for reasons she wouldn’t disclose - still not sure how legal that sale was), I’m interested in how the sectarian divide in NI maps on to transgenderism, not among politicians but in the population as a whole. However this might not be the right place for such a discussion.

Just caught up with all the threads. In awe of the women of MN once again

I get the points made last night about SM team wanting to carry on regardless and get the job done so it can go to appeal on those grounds.

But if it really can't for all the reason stated here, where does that leave SM?

Who takes responsibility for the collapse of this case? The costs? The time? The stress and distress? The jeopardising of witnesses taken on and off oath.

Who has overarching responsibility for ensuring that the tribunal process is fit for purpose with panel members who are who they say they are and don't have overt bias stamped as their digital footprint?

The judge was very quick to state that disrespect lay behind NC and CE delays yesterday - what on earth will a delay of months look like?

I've asked mumsnet to delete on post on Michael Mckeown in thread 2.

I've double checked and it's incorrect.

I don't see why the recusal issue couldn't have waited until Monday anyway. It seems very hurried. Why not finish Friday's session, research it thoroughly over the weekend, and raise the recusal first thing on Monday?

The record states the recusal application failed - but for Naomi’s intervention the panel member wouldn’t have stepped down. That’s destroying trust in our public institutions.

I keep coming back to this. On the BBC news clip the presenter very clearly discusses that the refusal application was denied. As it stands, the official records would only show that DB stepped down due to ill health, and that the other 2 panel members bravely trooped on as a depleted team.

That is not an accurate reflection of the way this unravelled and it's wrong for the official record to have no context or narrative.

Thank you. That was my post. I realised I’d got the wrong person but didn’t know I could ask for it to be deleted.

If I recall it’s Michael McKeown.

He’s an author don’t you know.

Because the Judge said why didn’t you raise her behaviour on Wednesday straight away? They did it asap after they got the evidence.

Any delay would have stood against them.

I'm guessing they're under professional and legal obligations to raise concerns as soon as they are aware of them and think they have legs. They explained the delay from earlier in the week in this way.

In my professional code of conduct it is very clear that to not raise something as soon as you know about it makes you complicit and culpable.

So to leave it to Monday and then say 'we found a lot of evidence overnight on Thursday but let you rattle on all through Friday' would look bad.

Where is JKR atm? Hope she is ok. She's been really quiet on X for weeks even when things like Brollygate were going on.

Going by the reviews his books aren't my cup of tea. A combination of "erotically-charged intrigue", "horrifically brutal murders", and " a female whose memorably filthy bedroom antics add spice to the story" really put me off.

https://archive.li/vzVWP

Ew

Yes a reviewer complained about 'gratuitous sexualisation' and the female characters are 'femme fatales' 🤨

Thanks. I'd seen that, and then a few people referred to him as Micheal which sounds and reverberates differently.

Hopefully smiling serenely over all she surveys.

What an ROI

Yes. It happens to me quite often that, when I try to correct a typo manually, I end up with both my correction and the autocorrect suggestion in the sentence. It's just a clumsy slip on the keyboard.

Loads of people can't always spell Michael (not suggesting an Irish language version is a misspelling).

DH brother has it as his middle name and it is misspelled on his driving licence (not by him).

I'm just really befuddled by this whole thing. For an actual professor to somehow scrub her online presence seems a very extreme allegation too. An actual professor's online presence is professionally significant. They'd have a publication history, they'd want to be found by potential collaborators and students -and particularly by grant awarding bodies.

So Liam is short for William? I had no idea.

Hopefully deeply immersed in Strike 9!

Grossly unfair. Maureen McKeown gave it 5 stars! 👀

That makes sense, although "We were given evidence on Thursday night and we needed to check it out, we raised it as soon as we were reasonably sure" doesn't look bad to me.

I think we've established now that she's not an actual professor though, right? There was a screenshot from her company on thread 2 referring to her as having held a visiting professorship at the Uni of Ulster. But it's not a legally protected term, alas.

Well yes, I will not be seeking them out.