Sara Morrison v BFF Thread 3

[SexRealistic]

For background please read here:

https://genderblog.net/sara-morrison-v-belfast-film-festival/

Jenny Holland’s description suggests the panel could not have missed DB’s attitude and attempts to communicate with counsel. That’s bias and ground for appeal

Once you are appointed, you are allocated to a case, with 1 lay member drawn from the employer pool & one from the employee pool. However, the employer representatives aren't batting for the respondents & the employee representatives aren't batting for the claimants....that would be a complete & utter nonsensical situation.

I'm very sceptical indeed about this autoclave on a massive scale. From the few minutes I listened to of the Riser interview, DB was very vague about the actual process. I think she said it produced no pollution; chlorine was mentioned but nothing about where it went. So is the pollution just put off until the pellets are burned, say in place of coal in a power station? Rubbish into the huge autoclave, gets steamed (killing off bacteria), out come pellets (not just hydrocarbons, but including all the other elements from the rubbish) and then we burn them, releasing who knows what into the atmosphere?

Is anyone using these wonderful ginormous autoclaves, or did Re3 go out of business because there was actually no real world value in environmental terms?

I'm well aware that I may have got the wrong end of the stick somewhere, but from what I heard it just didn't sound plausible. Too much like cold fusion in my cynical opinion. The (impossible) perpetual motion machine. "Every engine must have an exhaust pipe" as my thermodynamics tutor used to say, and a pollutionless process is awfully adjacent to a miracle.

As far as i am aware, you can appeal an Industrial Tribunal or Fair Employment Tribunal verdict on a point of law....that the panel misapplied, or misinterpreted the law, in relation to the facts of the case as presented in evidence.

I have no idea how the professor sign got there

The videos are now circulating on X. If others could share them, that will get more notice, maybe the belfast press etc? It should be more widely known that tribunals aren't doing proper checks. You may not need to be a professor etc but it speaks to the integrity of the whole system if you appoint a liar to a panel.

<Remembers paying £125K legal costs for my tribunal (not employment) and weeps softly>

After the decision there's a 14 day window where you can ask for the decision to be reconsidered. You have to give reasons for that, like the panel having got something seriously wrong, or the hearing having been run in such a way as to cause the President of Tribunals to blow smoke out of her ears and send round a memo full of words like "maladministration".

If that fails, then the CoA.

Yes it is possible to appeal tribunal in NI, I found some appeal decisions during my hunt for legal docs with Professor Boyd on them, and I think since the EJ did not recuse her and MM there is grounds because DB was communicating bias and they did nothing which has the appearance of bias and that is all that is necessary.

But I think that now she has put those applications in NC doesn’t need to blow up the remaining days of this ET. She can keep her powder dry for the appeal if the judgement goes against SM, which I strongly believe it will although perhaps the EJ won’t want to find herself under scrutiny of appeal process? BFF are less likely to go to appeal because funds.

I do think that EJ revealing a desire to punish NC on Friday by lifting MD oath for weekend was instructive of her underlying bias. I think, unless she is a productively reflective person, she is going to want to punish her even more because she is going to be well embarrassed by DB’s misrepresentation of herself in her court and with the full support of the court.

"A tribunal will not reconsider a decision simply because you disagree with it. The reasons must be based on a mistake or procedural error.
An application for reconsideration is different from an appeal. An appeal is a separate process and has its own time limits".

In the video she says that 3 English companies went bust trying to set up similar systems and that there and been less of life in the process.

She says that it is revolutionary technology but requires huge investment and a lot of the video is Riser appealing to councils and private firms to invest as without huge amounts of cash they can't get going.

It is all a bit reminiscent of Pa Larkin (Darling Buds of May) or Del Boy.

They also discuss how you don't need to be educated to understand this simple technology but also don't seem to be clear enough on the process to be able to easily describe it to the viewer at all.

O Lord, the Tribunals have accumulated a few persistent litigants over the years who really will keep coming back because they disagree with a decision. Have to keep the grounds tight.

Agree. Shes going to be even crosser when she gets wind of the discussions etc online. NC is a tough cookie to go into the maw of the dragon thus. Unless she’s run away, of course

An award of £10,000 in costs against them would soon put that nonsense out of them.

Improper refusal to recuse - would be CA then?

It is possible that EJ Sturgeon will be reflecting over the weekend on the possibility of the President of Tribunals to blow smoke out of her ears and send round a memo full of words like "maladministration". and decide to take mahoosive steps to avaoid that by being scrupulously fair to NC for the rest of the tribunal. I imagine that is what NC is banking on now. A number of observers have suggested that there was a definite shift in the room on Friday afternoon.

Also anyone think that EJ Sturgeon didn't need to research the standing down from oath point herself cos she could have delegated that to SD. He was bloody quick to concur with her that she couldn't?

"Contempt of court".

Making public comments, especially on social media, that could unfairly sway public opinion about a case.

You can bet your bottom dollar that many of the posts made on here will be under consideration @ Killymeal House tomorrow morning.

Surely they can’t take us amateurs musings into consideration? I’m not on twitter but i know nothing can control that.

Now appearing on X with due credit to @weegielass

I suspect it won’t be long before the links are taken down.

https://x.com/katarinahill2/status/1990121079386394822?s=46&t=OcVj6Ek4vpx69DdiZCpI2g

Definitely not COC.

There’s no jury to influence, only Michael, and I doubt he’d be a fan of MN

Thumbs up emoticon.

🌂i can only find an umbrella :-)

There's been lots of good findings, not just from me blush

The social media posts eg about the DUP and Pride, as well as the youtube videso are all public, as are her daughter's FB pages so open to discussion and thus I doubt a good enough argument for contempt of court. Plus she's recused herself and the panel are continuing without her.

I think we're fine.

Nice