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Szygy · 16/11/2025 16:11

BettyBooper · 16/11/2025 15:43

Can anyone on LinkedIn confirm that that's where this is from:

'Re3's Chief Executive Officer, Professor Deborah Boyd, is the 2009 NIEA Sustainable Ireland Environmental Leader of the Year.'

How funny. I was just looking at that myself, @BettyBooper. @Akela64 and @MariedeGournay found the original report Here.

I looked it up too and also found none of the links worked. But it seems there’s an NIEA (which our friend Prof DB apparently got her award from) and an SEI. Jonathan Pugsley won the award from the latter in 2009 but according to the AI summary, the NIEA awarded their 2009 prize to environmentalist Éanna Ní Lamhna:

The 2009 NIEA Sustainable Ireland Environmental Leader of the Year was
Éanna Ní Lamhna. She is an entomologist, environmental consultant, author, and broadcaster from County Louth, Ireland. She received the award for her significant contributions to environmental work and sustainability in Ireland.

I can’t say I massively trust the AI source but it’s all deeply odd and keeps getting odder!

RE3 CEO Wins Environmental Leader of the Year

Re3's Chief Executive Officer, Professor Deborah Boyd, is the 2009 NIEA Sustainable Ireland Environmental Leader of the Year.

https://oneworld.org/2009/09/18/re3-ceo-wins-environmental-leader-of-the-year

SexRealistic · 16/11/2025 16:11

BetaTwoAgony · 16/11/2025 16:09

Snap!

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BettyBooper · 16/11/2025 16:11

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 16/11/2025 16:04

Edited

Yes, that's where I saw it too, with @rebax linking a LinkedIn post.

Szygy · 16/11/2025 16:12

Snap x 3! 😂

A24Direction · 16/11/2025 16:12

SionnachRuadh · 16/11/2025 15:59

Very occasionally there are hearings outside Belfast (Omagh, and maybe Derry) and the mileage might kick in more for those hearings. But nobody's getting rich off those expenses.

I don't think there have been any hearings held outside of Belfast for a long time now. They were always held more recently in Longbridge House @ Waring Street & in an annexe in Donegall Street, before the move to the current site @ Killymeal House.

borntobequiet · 16/11/2025 16:12

SionnachRuadh · 16/11/2025 13:13

Specialist employment lawyer by background, so was in and out of the ET for years before taking the step up to be a judge. Very familiar with this world. It's not a big niche, but it's busy enough in a place where people are always being sacked and taking tribunal cases over it.

I'm certain that I know her from somewhere - her face is very familiar - but it must have been years ago and I don't remember any details.

I think she has one of those generic faces that everyone thinks they know, or think they’ve seen on the TV in some minor role in an Irish drama.

weegielass · 16/11/2025 16:13

DB's daughter Zoe is easy to find on Facebook and appears to have a trans identifying female partner. DB is vocal about pride on the page. Its a public facebook account btw so no arguments about invasion of privacy when she's perfectlly capable of setting her own privacy settings. I wouldn't let her do my makeup given how she did her mums.

Sara Morrison v BFF Thread 3
SionnachRuadh · 16/11/2025 16:16

A24Direction · 16/11/2025 16:12

I don't think there have been any hearings held outside of Belfast for a long time now. They were always held more recently in Longbridge House @ Waring Street & in an annexe in Donegall Street, before the move to the current site @ Killymeal House.

Yeah, I remember Omagh Courthouse being used now and again, but that's a long time ago and it was only an occasional thing (quarterly?)

I'd forgotten about the wee Donegall Street annexe, even though I was once in it for a hearing. That really was a case of "we've got a random room around the corner for busy days".

thewaythatyoudoit · 16/11/2025 16:18

From Substack

Accusations of pro-trans bias in the Morrison vs Belfast Film Festival tribunal
Jenny Holland
Nov 15, 2025
I attended Sara Morrison’s employment tribunal this week in Belfast, Northern Ireland. Morrison is taking her former employer, Belfast Film Festival, to court, alleging that they discriminated against her for her sex realist beliefs.
The tribunal, which began on Monday, became increasingly fiery as the week wore on, and culminated in Morrison’s legal team asking on Friday afternoon that all three members of the adjudicating panel step down, due to bias. The panel is made up of an employment judge, and two members not from the legal profession.
Naomi Cunningham, who is representing Morrison, filed an application for recusal for actual bias on the part of one of the panel members — Professor Deborah Boyd — and apparent bias on the part of the judge, Lisa Sturgeon, and the third member.
Judge Lisa Sturgeon rejected the application that the panel recuse itself, saying that there was no evidence she or the other panel member, Michael McKeown, were biased against Morrison— but that Professor Deborah Boyd would voluntarily stand down due to intense pain from fibromyalgia and a spinal problem.
Cunningham told the panel that on Friday morning they came into possession of information about Boyd, that had not been previously disclosed by Boyd. She said a member of the public had found old social media posts in which Boyd had posted about attending various Pride festivals, including one that included a photograph taken at London Pride, of a hand painted sign that read Fuck the DUP — a Northern Irish political party widely known to hold conservative social views. Boyd commented: “Best photo today so far” with a heart eyes emoji.
Cunningham also informed the panel that Boyd had been the director of a women’s group called Enterprising Women’s Network, for the counties Armagh and Down, between October 2004 and September 2005. The Enterprising Women’s Network is a part of the Women’s Regional Consortium, an umbrella group which has links to Women’s Resource and Development Agency (WRDA), according to documents provided by Morrison’s legal team. This is relevant because in her speech at the Let Women Speak rally, Morrison calls out the WRDA and three other women’s groups that she said were trying to intimidate and silence women from speaking out in favour of single-sex spaces.
A document entitled “Northern Ireland’s women’s manifesto” on the Women’s Regional Consortium’s website, in which WRDA is listed as a signatory, states: “we believe transgender women are women” and calls upon local elected officials to “provide accessible pathways to gender change for non-binary individuals and trans people under the age of 18,” and “develop meaningful strategies to tackle rising transphobic hate crime,” according to documents presented by Morrison’s legal team.
“Professor Boyd is very clearly aligned with Pride and LGBT,” Cunningham told the judge. She further contended that the other two members of the panel could have been influenced by Boyd’s pro-trans views in private discussions regarding the case.
Cunningham rejected claims by opposing counsel, Sean Doherty, who stated in his rebuttal that the application was merely a ruse on behalf of Morrison in order to “get another bite at the cherry.”
“The application is founded on the flimsiest evidence,” Doherty said, calling it “an outrageous attack on the integrity” of the panel.

A screenshot of the social media posts of employment tribunal panel member Deborah Boyd, which was presented as evidence of bias in the tribunal of Sara Morrison versus the Belfast Film Festival.
Cunningham, however, argued that lawyers are extremely reluctant to make a recusal application, because it incurs the risk that if rejected, the side that makes the application is likely to alienate the panel who will then be deciding the case.
“It is not something we would make lightly,” she said on Friday afternoon. “We had concerns [earlier in the week] but didn’t have enough material until this morning.”
Many of Morrison’s supporters shared those concerns, myself included. Friday’s drama was the culmination of a mood of increasing tension as Cunningham cross examined Devlin and Mark Cousins, a film maker who was at the time of Morrison’s LWS speech the chair of the BFF board, and a supporter of transgender ideology.
On Wednesday, I had noticed that Boyd was openly reacting Cunningham’s arguments as she was cross examining Devlin, Morrison’s former boss. Boyd was making faces that indicated hostility towards them. At one point, I saw her give pointed looks to Sean Doherty, the barrister representing the film festival. To me, the look seemed to be an attempt to get Doherty to respond to what Cunningham was saying. She also whispered something to Judge Sturgeon, and the panel then hastily took a break. This was at a point in Cunningham’s cross examination of Devlin when Cunningham used the term ‘trans identified man’ — a term that trans activists reject.
From that point on, it was clear to me that Boyd was not a neutral party, and was quite visibly supporting the film festival. I was not the only person in attendance who noticed her behaviour, as it was a topic of discussion during breaks in the tribunal proceedings with other members of the public who were also there to support Morrison. On Friday afternoon after the judge’s announcement that Boyd would step aside, Boyd looked at directly at Cunningham when the panel rose to leave, and mouthed the words ‘thank you’ at her in an exaggerated and sarcastic fashion.
Morrison, who is now the director of Genspect Ireland (and also, full disclosure, a friend of mine,) is claiming unfair dismissal and discrimination on the part of the BFF, which they deny. You can read her own account of the rally and its aftermath here. Broadly speaking, Morrison alleges that following the brief speech she gave at a 2023 Let Women Speak rally in favour of protecting single sex spaces for women and girls, members of the BFF board and its director, Michelle Devlin, attempted to walk Morrison into a trap that they could then use to fire her, due to their own pro-trans beliefs and the pro-trans beliefs of many others in local NGO’s and arts groups.
I was not at all surprised to see the evidence presented that the arts sector in Northern Ireland were all politically aligned on trans ideology — to the point that some of its most visible members would allegedly conspire to get rid of a once-valued employee over it.
The shabbiness of the legal proceedings has surprised me, however.
Boyd’s behaviour was shocking and extremely unprofessional. But worse still, it was somewhat echoed in a remark by BFF barrister Doherty, when Morrison’s lawyers introduced a new piece of evidence that they received late in proceedings — the mid-afternoon on Friday, after the application for recusal had been filed. It was photograph of handwritten notes taken on Wednesday by one of Morrison’s supporters in attendance, noting the episode that I had also noticed, when Boyd had whispered to the judge, precipitating a break in proceedings. (In her rejection of the application, the judge said the need for a sudden break was due to pain caused by Boyd’s fibromyalgia.) When asked if he objected to this being introduced into evidence, Doherty said “‘If the claimant wants to put lipstick on this pig of an application,” he would not object. Morrison supporters in the room audibly gasped at the crass language.
The tribunal will continue on Monday with the two remaining members. This is a positive outcome for Morrison and her team, as had the panelists all stepped down the whole trial would have been abandoned, and they would have had to start over again. And having brought to light the evidence of Boyd’s bias, all eyes will be on how the rest of tribunal is conducted.
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But it has definitely left me questioning both the impartiality and the professionalism of the employment tribunal. Sarcasm and cattiness from someone who will have a hand in determining the outcome are wholly unacceptable. Nor should someone who adjudicates disputes between employers and employees in a close-knit, post-conflict, society like Northern Ireland, be openly celebrating a hostile political message like ‘Fuck the DUP.’ How do people get appointed to these paid positions of authority that have huge consequences for the lives of workers here?
Overall, my impression from the tribunal is that Northern Irish society remains a place of of cozy, closed networks of power and influence that is hostile both to outsiders — Naomi Cunningham is a well-known English barrister who has successfully argued several high profile employment cases on behalf of sex realist women in England — and hostile to anyone who does not toe the line.
It’s good that Boyd stepped down, but it was an embarrassing showing for Northern Ireland.

Naomi Cunningham

Naomi Cunningham specialises in employment and discrimination law. She acts for a mix of public and private sector employers.

https://www.outertemple.com/barrister/naomi-cunningham/

BettyBooper · 16/11/2025 16:19

Szygy · 16/11/2025 16:11

How funny. I was just looking at that myself, @BettyBooper. @Akela64 and @MariedeGournay found the original report Here.

I looked it up too and also found none of the links worked. But it seems there’s an NIEA (which our friend Prof DB apparently got her award from) and an SEI. Jonathan Pugsley won the award from the latter in 2009 but according to the AI summary, the NIEA awarded their 2009 prize to environmentalist Éanna Ní Lamhna:

The 2009 NIEA Sustainable Ireland Environmental Leader of the Year was
Éanna Ní Lamhna. She is an entomologist, environmental consultant, author, and broadcaster from County Louth, Ireland. She received the award for her significant contributions to environmental work and sustainability in Ireland.

I can’t say I massively trust the AI source but it’s all deeply odd and keeps getting odder!

Yes, all very odd! Thanks for ...erm ... clearing that up! 🤔

Largofesse · 16/11/2025 16:21

BettyBooper · 16/11/2025 15:55

Because, as someone pointed out upthread, she wasn't.

The winner of the 2009 Sustainable Ireland Environmental Leader of the Year award was Jonathan Pugsley, the outstanding energy manager of Leitrim-based door manufacturer Masonite Ireland.

And now I can't find the original reference to it and I'm not on LinkedIn so can't check.

It's in thread 2 if you can face going back through them.

Boiledbeetle · 16/11/2025 16:27

BettyBooper · 16/11/2025 15:55

Because, as someone pointed out upthread, she wasn't.

The winner of the 2009 Sustainable Ireland Environmental Leader of the Year award was Jonathan Pugsley, the outstanding energy manager of Leitrim-based door manufacturer Masonite Ireland.

And now I can't find the original reference to it and I'm not on LinkedIn so can't check.

I'm not on linkedin, and someone who can work the wayback machine would need to find an archived version as the link on the image below goes nowhere for me

Sara Morrison v BFF Thread 3
MyrtleLion · 16/11/2025 16:39

SexRealistic · 16/11/2025 01:06

I think that if you are leading on bringing in illegal policies (bear with me I haven’t read it) that likely infringe on women’s rights and you are the only named member out of so many other members who could have taken on that work it gives rise to the inference you are invested in these matters.

It’s not his Union had a policy. He did the work to bring the Union into Stonewall law (they are referenced in one of them), that policy is a mess and likely illegal.

And he doesn’t say boo to a goose when Naomi is suggesting they’re biased? Oh no not me.

Imagine if Naomi brings this up on Monday and suddenly Micheal is recused for gout.

Things are very catching when Naomi calls for a recusal.

As a former trade unionist I'm unsure that this is a smoking gun.

It looks like the civil service wrote the policy and McKeown would have consulted with the members and then put their amendments to the civil service policy. He is clear that he cannot agree anything until a motion has been passed by the members at Conference.

He could personally disagree and he absolutely could say it was the members not him. He's just the liaison and the man who writes the letters. It's his job and that will include other policies, redundancy discussions, disciplinary actions and grievances. He may not even remember this particular issue from seven years ago.

I would like to think he would say to the judge before the tribunal, by the way I was the union officer who dealt with the correspondence on the trans policy for the NI civil service, but it's the union members who decided on the amendments and agreement. And she may have said that's fine or asked him to recuse himself.

But this is nowhere near showing bias in the same way that Boyd put up rainbow flags accompanying insults on her social media.

MyrtleLion · 16/11/2025 16:44

SexRealistic · 16/11/2025 16:08

Its an extrapolation:

https://nipsa.org.uk/publications/AR2017.pdf

Central Whitley
M McKeown
Assistant Trade Union Side Secretary

See page 64 at B1

It talks to LGBT issues and a survey in development that then informs policy in 2018 which becomes the published Trans in Workplace Policy published in 2020 and still in force.

'acknowledging the continuing need for Trade Union Side to progress related issues within the Central Whitley context. It was also agreed that further policy work would neeed to be done to further support LGBT staff and in particular those transitioning in the workplace'

My read - if McKeown is the Trade Union Side for Central Whitley and was progressing matters relating to a LGBT survey and doing further policy work to support those transitioning the workplace in 2017 that led to an illegal policy that means women don't have single sex toilets or changing rooms - then he needs to declare that conflict of interest.

If it wasn't just a random vote but direct input on shaping policy then it should be put before the Tribunal for EJ Sturgeon to decide on whehter he is impartial.

If he didn't then the question needs to be put to the Panel.

He's not the Trade Union Side. That is the name for the group of staff who are Union representatives who sit on the committee with civil service management staff to discuss issues affecting the workplace.

He is the Secretary for the Trade Union Side, so is a paid union official. He will attend the Whitley Council and may explain process or know more about things than the reps, but anything that is agreed is decided by the members.

MyrtleLion · 16/11/2025 16:47

Also the search passive House plus search is for the republic of Ireland.and NI is in the UK.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 16/11/2025 16:48

borntobequiet · 16/11/2025 16:12

I think she has one of those generic faces that everyone thinks they know, or think they’ve seen on the TV in some minor role in an Irish drama.

She looks not unlike Kathy Keira Clarke, with hints of Michelle Gomez.

SionnachRuadh · 16/11/2025 16:51

MyrtleLion · 16/11/2025 16:44

He's not the Trade Union Side. That is the name for the group of staff who are Union representatives who sit on the committee with civil service management staff to discuss issues affecting the workplace.

He is the Secretary for the Trade Union Side, so is a paid union official. He will attend the Whitley Council and may explain process or know more about things than the reps, but anything that is agreed is decided by the members.

Edited

Yes. Once the DoF officials had drafted the trans guidance, it would be necessary to consult the union, hence it gets put on the Whitley Council agenda along with all the pay negotiations, grievances and whatever else is on the Whitley Council agenda. Then the union have to consult their members so it goes in the regular e-bulletin (which hardly anybody reads) saying send your comments to Michael.

McKeown is the liaison in this situation. He's not the guy drafting the policy, and he's not sneaking it through. The real problem is that there are no critical voices in the union, so the responses come from the small number of activists in the LGBT caucus who like the guidance, and that's what he feeds back to Whitley Council.

Gymnopedie · 16/11/2025 16:52

Photo of Pope DB receiving her award. So it's legit.

Microsoft Word - RE3 CEO Wins Award With Picture.doc

Talkinpeace · 16/11/2025 16:58

Her husband is at the back on the right of the picture

Namechanged999999 · 16/11/2025 17:05

zaramysaviour · 16/11/2025 12:57

In all seriousness, I'm from NI and a journo, so... :)

Imagine digging into all this properly. That'd be a documentary in itself.

If she really was running the company that provided the pellets for the ashes for cash scandal theres A whole sub series right there!

BetaTwoAgony · 16/11/2025 17:07

SionnachRuadh · 16/11/2025 16:51

Yes. Once the DoF officials had drafted the trans guidance, it would be necessary to consult the union, hence it gets put on the Whitley Council agenda along with all the pay negotiations, grievances and whatever else is on the Whitley Council agenda. Then the union have to consult their members so it goes in the regular e-bulletin (which hardly anybody reads) saying send your comments to Michael.

McKeown is the liaison in this situation. He's not the guy drafting the policy, and he's not sneaking it through. The real problem is that there are no critical voices in the union, so the responses come from the small number of activists in the LGBT caucus who like the guidance, and that's what he feeds back to Whitley Council.

I agree with all this.

But it absolutely should have been mentioned and offered up for discussion at the start.

It is not the same as coming at this with zero involvement or awareness of the exact policies and motions and discussions thay SM was criticising in her speech.

As the facilitator of the feedback on the draft he will have read all the emails and all their points and collated and sent them on.

He also should have raised the issue of NIPSA being in the group of organisations under the umbrella who took tbe manifesto forward and thay SM is in this tribunal for disagreeing with.

weegielass · 16/11/2025 17:08

here we go! I found her specialism! Self proclaimed of course. And she puts on an american accent :

In this video, she admits she didn't go to university but got given a visiting professorship and the irish accent is back :

DamsonGoldfinch · 16/11/2025 17:13

Professor of environmental science and waste management

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